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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me)
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Aaron Wolf |
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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me) |
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Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:18:13 -0800 |
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I disagree, Mark. The restrictions made by Copyleft are blocking
additional restrictions. So, determining the "minimal restrictions for
*everyone*" involves knowing something about the net effect. Copyleft is
net increase in restrictions in a situation where permissively-licensed
software would never be used to make proprietary derivatives. Copyleft
is net reduction in restrictions in a situation where copyleft licensing
actually hampers the creation of proprietary derivatives that would
happen others (or keeps those same derivates free/libre where they may
not have been otherwise).
So, you cannot make a blanket statement here. Copyleft uses some minimal
restrictions to block additional restrictions. Determining the effect on
total restrictions requires knowledge about whether additional
restrictions would be implemented otherwise.
-Aaron
On 03/07/2015 07:19 AM, Mark Holmquist wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 09:26:04AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> Copyleft is not a restriction. It is a defense against restrictions
>> imposed by middlemen on the users.
>
> However short-sighted and basically utilitarian the quoted rationale for
> avoiding copyleft may be, I think it's impossible for copyleft not to
> be a restriction. If it did not restrict people from distributing under
> different licenses, it would no longer be called copyleft, it would just
> be called public domain.
>
> Now, you could definitely say that copyleft is not a restriction on the
> end user, but if you're looking to minimize the restrictions for *everyone*,
> including developers of derivatives or applications that use your code,
> then copyleft is not your license.
>
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- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Jason Self, 2015/03/06
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Richard Stallman, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Daniel Pimentel, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Mark Holmquist, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), hellekin, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Will Hill, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me),
Aaron Wolf <=
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Mark Holmquist, 2015/03/07
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Will Hill, 2015/03/08
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), rysiek, 2015/03/08
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Aaron Wolf, 2015/03/08
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Robinson Tryon, 2015/03/08
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Aaron Wolf, 2015/03/09
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Robinson Tryon, 2015/03/09
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Aaron Wolf, 2015/03/09
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Jb, 2015/03/09
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Gitlab and Gitorious (was Re: support me), Aaron Wolf, 2015/03/09