Re: [libreplanet-discuss] free software is under attack

[Leah Rowe]

I think most people are intelligent enough to realize that the article
is bullshit.

I resigned from this list (now I'm sending this reply as a non-list
member) not because I'm withdrawing support from the FSF; I still
wholeheartedly support them. It's just that the libreplanet mailing
list doesn't benefit me personally... and it gets a lot of spam. I
have to delete spam from this list all the time.

Btw I consider free software relevant topics spam too, most of the
time. Spam is any specific subject that doesn't benefit me personally.
I'm not heavily involved with the FSF these days, though I'm still a
supporter.

I greatly admire RMS. He is a good man. I've met him in person on
several occasions. He comes off as rude but... yeah I guess he's
probably just autistic like me.

I wouldn't worry. People see inflammatory threads like this for what
they are. People just hate drama, that's all.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019
09:35:05 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 AM
> <libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
> 
> > My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals.
> > Can we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free
> > software and move the debate somewhere else?
> 
> hiya tom,
> 
> i totally get it - i subscribed (digest) a long time ago, never really
> read it, and saw a... morass/deluge of digest messages - twelve in a
> row - and went, "holy shit what's *this* all about... ah.  whoops".
> 
> the unfortunate thing is - and i do appreciate that ironically i am
> adding to an already-overloaded discussion - that because this forum
> (and many others) is under attack from intelligence agency operatives
> hostile to the "threat" that software freedom presents, your wishes in
> this matter are not going to be respected.
> 
> the moment that the thread begins to "shut down", another plant will
> write another message, from another account, which re-ignites the
> entire thing and off we go again.
> 
> the entire purpose of raising this discussion here in an inflammatory
> fashion is - and was - to cause MAXIMUM damage to the Free Software
> Movement, by specifically exploiting a deliberate misinterpretation of
> Dr Stallman's words.
> 
> already we have witnessed several people abandon free software, from
> both a funding perspective and a moral / ethical perspective, *not
> realising that this is precisely what the attackers from the shadows
> wanted*.
> 
> when the thread *eventually* shuts down - after everyone is too
> exhausted to respond to the inflammatory comments raised by the plants
> - the team will congratulate themselves on a job well done, and move
> on to another forum.
> 
> if one doesn't exist, they'll work with the other intelligence field
> operatives - peers of Epstein - to *ENGINEER* another Minsky /
> Applebaum / Assange situation, and will work with that to continue to
> destroy the reputation of Free Software, "safe" in the knowledge that
> everyone will have forgotten the last "plausibly deniable" time that
> the team worked to deliberately inflame and destabilise Free Software
> Forums such as this one.
> 
> 
> if you - MARY-JANE - are an actual real person, you damn well should
> have known better than to make unjustified accusations.
> 
> MARY-JANE - double-barrelled name (two female forenames, in CAPITALS)
> just to make it absolutely clear that "you" are female.  your handlers
> most likely did a lot of research and have a database of the
> psychological impact of the surname associated with "you".  this then
> solicits sympathy and helps maximise the damage by the *deliberate*
> misinterpretation of Dr Stallman's words.
> 
> MARY-JANE - whom i have not seen apologise for the harm caused after
> several people explained that your words are a clearly defamatory
> misinterpretation of what Dr Stallman actually wrote.
> 
> this is how spycraft works.
> 
> engineer a situation - "groom" and "target" some high-profile
> individuals, exploit their weaknesses, blackmail them, then when it
> becomes exposed, have "plants" right across the internet post publicly
> and prominently, to express shock and outrage at the "exploitation" -
> sexual exploitation works *really* well...
> 
> Assange, Manning, Applebaum, Minsky... anyone seeing a pattern
> here?....
> 
> ... then when prominent high-profile individuals unknowingly get
> involved in the discussion [rms] HOO-RAAAH!  JACKPOT!! YESSS, let's
> *REALLY* go to town on them!  BONUS points for the team operative who
> can cause the most damage by way of misleading and false
> misinterpretation of *that* juicy conversation, woo!
> 
> 
> you - *all* of you - *need* to understand and appreciate that this is
> how discord is sown, by people who have no limits on what they will or
> will not do, except that, because they are maximally-effective from
> the shadows, their actions have to be "reasonably deniable"
> 
> this is actually extremely easy because the average person is simply
> INCAPABLE OF BELIEVING that another human being could actually
> WILLINGLY engage in, plan, and carry out such orchestrated,
> premeditated, unbelievably unethical, criminal and immoral behaviour,
> on a regular and ongoing basis.
> 
> yet this is just how spycraft works.  there *are* no moral, legal, or
> ethical limits.
> 
> so - ALL of you - need to be aware of this, and STOP reacting.
> remember what Software Freedom is about.  it's *not* actually about
> the software, it's about ethics *as applied* to software.
> 
> look up the definition of an ethical act.  "An act that increases
> truth, love, awareness or creativity (those being synonyms for the
> same underyling concept) for one or more people (including yourself),
> WITHOUT decreasing ANY of those same four qualities FOR ANYONE".
> 
> by that definition, do you think that abandoning Free Software,
> de-funding the FSF, or rejecting Dr Stallman and the life-long efforts
> he has gone to, is what you should be doing?
> 
> because if after aaaall of this discussion: if you do, you've been
> played.  or you're one of the players.  hello, yes, i know you're
> there, i know the tell-tale signs and signatures to look for.
> 
> 
> for you - the team behind these attacks: please research Robert David
> Steele.  we are human beings, and so are you.  we are not the
> "objects" and "targets" that your handlers describe us as which allows
> you to emotionally detach from the damage that you are doing to real,
> live, human beings.
> 
> that said: by making this request of you, i do appreciate that you are
> now in an impossible situation.  by working in the shadows, if you
> show a conscience and morally object to the work that you are doing,
> there is nothing that stops you from being executed, because nobody
> will even notice that you are gone.  you chose that life - you chose
> to live by the sword.  this is just how it is.  i get it.
> 
> so instead, just pass it up the chain.  quietly.  "Robert David
> Steele".  Navy Seal Captain and CIA Intelligence Director who
> advocates world-wide security through OPEN COLLABORATION.  don't do
> anything else, because *your* lives critically depend on doing what
> you're ordered to do, regardless of how criminally insane or morally
> objectionable that is.
> 
> unethical means *never* justify ethical ends.  by definition.  no
> matter what you've been told.
> 
> l.
> 
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