Re: Privacy Respecting Replacement for facebook groups

[Marinus Savoritias]

Did I mention Element anywhere? Don't put words in my mouth.

Second I never said to host it on Vector Did I? Again adding words in my 
mouth.

Third. You can self host which is pretty easy with freedombox. As easy 
as XMPP. And also you can set up an account somewhere and then access it 
only though the client.

Also the integrations are disabled by default. But I guess why would you 
know that you just assume.

Please read about Matrix before spreading misinformation. And stop 
adding words to my mouth about Element and stuff.

Marinus Savoritias

PS. AGPL-3 client https://fluffychat.im/


On 10/1/20 2:14 PM, Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode) wrote:
> Once again, it is important to remember that if you want to use Matrix
> in a free and privacy friendly way, it is not recommended to use New
> Vector clients, such as Riot/Element for example, because some of them
> contain non-free code (here Electron) and encourage the use of non-free
> / privacy friendly software (e.g. Google Calendar bot, youtube
> integration or whatever). You should also avoid New Vector server
> instances because they are overloaded and the identity server instance
> they use (enabled by default in New Vector clients) is non-free.
>
> So apart from hosting yourself or using an instance known to be really
> free, and with a really free client, Matrix is not really the right
> solution...
>
> On 01/10/2020 10:42, Marinus Savoritias wrote:
> > There is also matrix which does have communities and rooms. I think
> > its more accustomed to what you would need than XMPP.
> >
> > And there are many clients including an emacs one and a terminal one.
> >
> > https://matrix.org/clients/
> > https://github.com/alphapapa/matrix-client.el
> >
> > Hosting can be a little more tricky though. Maybe you can use
> > something like freedombox to setup a server. They make it easy for you
> > to do so.
> >
> > https://yunohost.org/#/
> > https://www.freedombox.org
> >
> > Marinus Savoritias
> >
> > On 9/29/20 6:11 PM, Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
> > >      Hello everyone, I'm trying to figure out a privacy  respecting
> > >      replacement for facebook groups.  I want something that is easy to
> > >      join, (so no requirement that you learn email encryption, system
> > >      administration or anything "hard"  but also something that even
> > > Richard
> > >      Stallman wouldn't object to (not that I'm trying to recruit him
> > > to join
> > >      it, just some people are really zealots about stuff, if it
> > > doesn't have
> > >      javascript that is also a bonus.)
> > >      I've also considered things like email lists, matermost, irc and
> > >      forums, and I've dismissed them for the following reasons.
> > >      1. Lots of people just ignore email thesse days, plus it isn't
> > > really
> > >      very real time.
> > >      2. irc is just a chat channel, too many bots and while it is real
> > > time,
> > >      it doesn't really have any persistance of topics.
> > >      3. Forums tend to be too public with just anyone can join it, and
> > > while
> > >      you can have private forums or private sections of forums, you
> > > need to
> > >      be an administrator to set that all up.  Plus forums tend to have
> > >      things like spralling topics,  and things that either get out of
> > > date,
> > >      or else there is no conversation about the subject (thread
> > > necromancy
> > >      vs an empty forum.)  I want to create a small group that is highly
> > >      engaged with the subject, chatting everyday etc.
> > >      4. Email messages from lists you need to get info from can end up in
> > >      spam if you don't set up email right.  It is too easy to miss
> > > important
> > >      messages cause you get consumed with marketing or things you
> > >      inadvertantly signed up for and should not have.
> > >      5. Matermost is like discord, but then I would have to set it up,
> > > and
> > >      I'm not a professional system admin. If i spend all my time learning
> > >      professional system admin skills, then I won't get to do what I
> > > want,
> > >      which is interacting with people.
> > >      Just on a whim I also checked into Dissporia and groups.io, mastadon
> > >      doesn't really have groups yet, and I don't think all the source
> > > code
> > >      for groups.io is included.
> > >
> > >
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