Re: Suppression of speech in this list > Was: Carefully written essay asking for proportionality for rms

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 210430-17:59-0500, quiliro@riseup.net wrote:
> Greg Farough <gregf@fsf.org> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 30 2021, quiliro@riseup.net wrote:
> >
> >> Miroslav Rovis <miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr> writes:
> >>
> >>> (Regarding the close to last lines of mine in bottom: I did not receive 
> >>> this email of yours via libreplanet ML.)
> >>
> >> There are 7:
> >> * Message not available
> >> at:
> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-04/threads.html
> >>
> >> I wonder when did I ask the moderators of this list to prevent me from
> >> reading the expressions of others.  I ask the moderators: please give me
> >> a link to where I can read those emails.  If others do not want to see
> >> those messages, let them opt-out of those messages (not out of the whole
> >> list).  But please do not control my right to read!
> >
> > I am not sure what happened in this case, but we have not moderated
> > any message in this thread.
> 
> ¡Oh!  It was not moderation?
> 
> > The only circumstance in which we would reject a message without
> > notifying the sender is if it's a clear-cut case of automated
> > spam. Please do not jump to conclusions when a technical error is more
> > likely.
> 
> I thought that message on the web page meant that those messages were
> manually removed.  Notice that I did not mean that there was no
> notification to the sender.  I meant notification to the readers and a
> way to read the original message.  I know this might not be included in
> the mailing list software.  But it would be good to consider the needs
> of the readers who do want to read all messages, in case moderators want
> to suppress speech because of list policy and not because of automated
> spamming.
> 
> I am very sorry for assuming that it was not a technical error.  Please
> consider my apologies.
If there is interest, I could go through my mailbox, and take out all the
relevant messages, use my frozen lurker little set of scripts to convert then
for web and post them for perusal.
WARNING: I would need maybe a couple of hours to do that, I'm not sure I can
find time very quickly.

Then, perusing all the headers (raw messages can be set to be downloaded in
lurker, and in my frozen lurker) it could be looked into to see how could such
deletion of messages have come to be (if indeed technical the reason).

The messages from me (and from Jorge, IIRC) did start to be posted normally on
the list only after Jorge asked about dropped messages on libreplanet-discuss
to sysadmin [at] gnu.org [*], and not before, which makes one be strongly
inclined to think the reason may not have been technical that the messages were
dropped.

It would like fine, all the thread even nicer shown than with Python, it's just
Lurker's Javascript that does not make the emails for web easy for viewing with
text browsers at all.

I'm also fine to let the matter be dropped and forgotten.

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[*] who I was kindly Cc:'ed from in his reply to Jorge

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Miroslav Rovis
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