Re: Still failing to operate lilypond 2.20.0 64-bit version.

[Ian West]

Dear David (copied to Jean, and Paul,)

You are very kind. I shall give it a go. But I think you will have to agree that this is some 5 orders (***) of magnitude more complex than versions: 2.12.3, 2.18.2-1, and 2.20.0. I never would have got into Lilypond were I starting from here.

But you raise another problem; arm64 or x86_64? I read elsewhere "An Apple M1 or M2 processor is also sometimes referred to by the architecture name of aarch64 or arm64." Or maybe it does not matter. 

Following the MacPorts route, I hit a bump. "Last login: Thu Oct  5 14:05:17 on ttys000

ianwest@Ians-MacBook-Air ~ % sudo port install lilypond

Password:

Error: 

Error: No Xcode installation was found.

Error: Please install Xcode and/or run xcode-select to specify its location.

Error: 

Error: Port lilypond requires a full Xcode installation, which was not found on your system.

Error: You can install Xcode from the Mac App Store or https://developer.apple.com/xcode/

Error: Follow https://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets if you believe there

is a bug.

Error: Processing of port lilypond failed

ianwest@Ians-MacBook-Air ~ %", 

and do not know why this is required. Perhaps I am being naive; should I download a zipped lilypond package before trying to install it? Or is it integral to the MacPorts business? Well, I tried that, placing the unzipped download in the same directory as the MacPorts, but with the same result (needing the full set of tools). So I started to download the mentioned "tools"; but when I was told it would take 43 hours I aborted. 

(*** The installation of version 2:24.2 assumes that I know how to use terminal, how to use MacPorts, know the difference between arm64 and x86_64 (all I know is that I am using an "Apple M2 chip"), difference between a tar.bz2 package or a tar.gz one, that "darwin" mean "MacOS", and much more.  Compared with simply clicking, or double clicking. a zipped package.)

I think Lilypond is spiralling out of my universe. And perhaps out of general usefulness.  Pity!  Another day gone from my dwindling stock. There is still the music to play!

Ian

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Ian West
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Tel: 01295 713 889; (Mobile: 07474 572 588)

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On 5 Oct 2023, at 16:36, David Wright <lilylis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu 05 Oct 2023 at 14:49:41 (+0100), Ian West wrote:

Dear Lilypond team, continuing from 1 Sept 17:43hrs. (similar problems to Mark Stephen Mrotek though he is Windows.)

I successfully used version 2.20.0 on my MacBook Air M2 2022, macOS 13.4.1 from August 2022 till July 2023. Now I cannot, and I have failed (for a month) to overcome the problem. I presumed it hit a bug, or developed a mutation. I deleated it and tried to re-extracte the zip.

I want to use my current MacBook Air M2 2022, macOS 13.4.1. I picked up the idea somewhere that the 64-bit M2 processor requires a certain version of lilypond, but I find that hard to confirm on the web. ? Is it true?

I have been using various versions of lilipond for 13 years (versions: 2.12.3, 2.18.2-1, 2.20.0, and now 2.24.1).
I do not want to use Frescobaldi.  When I unzip 2.24.1 I find it does not contain a simple exe file with lilypond icon. It looks as though the package is designed to work with Frescobaldi and not on its own. Is that true. I do not want to use Frescobaldi. Are there instructions for using 2.24 WITHOUT Frescobaldi.

I re-extracting the lilypond-2.20.0-darwin-64.tar that I downloaded last year. That gave an error signal.
I downloaded lilypond-2.20.0-1.darwin-x86.tar.bz2, from Index of /download/binaries/darwin-x86 <http://lilypond.org/download/binaries/darwin-x86/?C=N;O=D> to see if that worked as my previous build 20200311175017. It did not. Perhaps because it is for Windows, while I am macOS. There was a 'Stop' sign (white anulus and bar) over the icon and does not work. Should this be explained?

Last year I downloaded MacPorts-2.7.2-12-Moneteray.pkg, but I have no idea why, nor what it does, nor if I used it.

I pretended I was a Mac user wanting to use just LP. I clicked through:

 https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/web/manuals.html
 https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/learning/installing
 https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/learning/command-line-setup

and picked MacPorts as you'd mentioned it.

 https://www.macports.org/

"thousands of ports":

 https://ports.macports.org/

typed lilypond in the box:

 https://ports.macports.org/port/lilypond

It says:
"To install lilypond, paste this in macOS terminal after installing MacPorts
 sudo port install lilypond"
where MacPorts is a link to:

 https://www.macports.org/install.php

which presumably isn't going to work for Linux.
That page has a "More instructions" button, and a Details link to:

 https://ports.macports.org/port/lilypond/details/

This last page shows a list of OSes including two Ventura items,
arm64 and x86_64, and that's the OS you say you're running (unlike
Monterey, which comes next in the list).

Is this the way you should be going? If so, you might want to
detail what you click, press, etc, the address of any files you
download, how you unpacked them, where you put them, and when you
run them:

 the directory you're in,
 the directory the program is in,
 the directory the .ly file is in,
 you $PATH at the time,
 a pasted copy of the command and its output from the terminal.

Cheers,
David.