Re: kn-itrans.mim: About the updates in https://github.com/indic-transliteration/m17n-db-indic

[Mike FABIAN]

Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com> さんはかきました:

> "विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)" <vishvas.vasuki@gmail.com> さんはかきました:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 at 22:46, Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)" <vishvas.vasuki@gmail.com> さんはかきました:
>>> But it seemed to make no difference whatsoever whether I used
>>>
>>>    ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>    ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
>>>
>>> or even both at the same time.
>>>
>>> Does that make any difference in behaviour for you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It's not expected to make any difference - just ought to be an available
>> alternative;
>
> I mean it does not seem to do what it is supposed to do. I tried testing
> like this:
>
> Only ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್") in the consonant section of kn-itrans.mim:
>
> Typing "aLL " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
> Typing "aLLi " yields  ಅಳ್ಳಿ 
> Typing "aLLL " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ಳ್ 
> Typing "aLLLi " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ಳಿ
>
> Only ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್") in the consonant section of kn-itrans.mim:
>
> Typing "aLL " yields  ಅLL 
> Typing "aLLi " yields  ಅLLಇ 
> Typing "aLLL " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
> Typing "aLLLi " yields  ಅಳ್ಳಿ
>
> Both ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್") and ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್") in the consonant section of 
> kn-itrans.mim:
>
> Typing "aLL " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
> Typing "aLLi " yields  ಅಳ್ಳಿ 
> Typing "aLLL " yields  ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
> Typing "aLLLi " yields  ಅಳ್ಳಿ
>
> So using both ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್") and ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್") in the consonant section of
> kn-itrans.mim like this:
>
> diff --git a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
> index d3c7480..e98167e 100644
> --- a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
> +++ b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
> @@ -144,6 +144,7 @@ on 18 Aug 2005.
>    ("dny" "ಜ್ಞ್")                 ; not in ITRANS Kannada table
>    ("x" "ಕ್ಷ್")
>    ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
> +  ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
>    ("ks" "ಕ್ಸ್")
>    ("ksh" "ಕ್ಷ್")
>   )
>
> seems to behave *exactly* like having only ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್"). Adding the
> ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್") doesn’t seem to do what we want.
>
> Probably "aLLLi " is supposed to yield ಅಳ್ಳ್ಇ but it doesn’t do that, I don’t 
> know why not.

But if I keep ("LL" "ಳ್ಳ್") in the consonant section of kn-itrans.mim and
put ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್") into the independent section, like this:

diff --git a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
index d3c7480..42d7a08 100644
--- a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
+++ b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
@@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ on 18 Aug 2005.
   ("R^i" "ಋ")
   ("R" "ಋ")        ; not in ITRANS Kannada table
   ("Ru" "ಋ")        ; not in ITRANS Kannada table
+  ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
   ; Do not use LLi as an independent vowel. The reason is that kaLLi and aLLi 
should intuitively yield ಕಳ್ಳಿ  and ಅಳ್ಳಿ ,
   ; while kLLipti should yield ಕೢಪ್ತಿ (since ಳ್ಳ್ after a consonant is very 
unusual).
   ; ("LLi" "ಌ")

then it seems to work as desired:

Typing "aLL " yields ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
Typing "aLLi " yields ಅಳ್ಳಿ 
Typing "aLLL " yields ಅಳ್ಳ್ 
Typing "aLLLi " yields ಅಳ್ಳ್ಇ

That is what we want, isn’t it?

-- 
Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com>
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