Re: Bundles in Agora

[Wendy Liu]

Sorry for the delayed response.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:15 AM, c. <address@hidden> wrote:
> Yes if editing is ruled out, being able to view the package contents can do no harm.
>
> My main concern is that making the site bloated by adding more features than actually
> needed can make the thing overcomplicated and difficult to maintain.


The ability to view the source is not a feature that contributes significantly to making the code complicated or difficult to maintain. That part is relatively simple, and furthermore, most of the components are already in the codebase due to the snippet functionality. The point you bring up is a good one but it's not something that you need to be concerned with in this situation.


On 29 October 2012 19:14, Carnë Draug <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> On 28 October 2012 08:18, c. <address@hidden> wrote:


> > On 28 Oct 2012, at 08:09, Wendy Liu wrote:
> >> The impression I got from Jordi was that Agora Octave was meant to be a code-sharing site like Bitbucket/Github/Sourceforge but with a very low barrier to entry. So, similar to all the VCS-backed code-sharing sites out there, only without a VCS, to make it easier for people who aren't comfortable with them to use the site. So I pretty much am trying to replicate certain features of VCSes (or at least, VCS-backed code-sharing sites), but the intention is to do so without actually making the user use a version control system. It's not possible to just use the web interfaces themselves, because Agora is meant to be more than simply a web interface to a VCS, and even using certain parts of the web interfaces would be difficult due to language/dependency/other integration issues. (The plan is to get Mercurial integration working eventually, so that versions are tracked transparently with hg, without users having to ever create a repository or commit anything themselves, but this hasn't been done yet.)


> >>
> >> As for editing bundles: I mentioned earlier in the thread that I would be scrapping this feature, based on feedback suggesting that it would not be a good idea. So users do have to prepare a new version of the bundle to update it, rather than editing individual files. Hopefully that clears things up.


> >
> > Wendy,
> >
> > OK, if editing is taken out, just being able to browse files can really do no harm, so as it is already there no need to remove it.
> >
> > As for the overall design I think the original plan [1,2] was to keep things more separate:


> >
> > 1) A "low barrier" part, consisting of pasted snippets and single files or bundles which can be developed independently,
> > without use of a VCS or any other collaboation tool, and then are just distributed on Agora like on CPAN or CTAN.


> >
> > 2) A "high priority" part similar to the current Octave Forge, but more closely connected with Octave core, composed of
> > formatted bundles developed cooperatively using a VCS (most probably mercurial to match Octave-core).


> >
> > Part 2) is what the "Forge" section of Agora.
> >
> > Part 1) does not need any code development ttols, just an interface to upload files and comment on them.
> > Part 2) will use Mercurial.


> >
> > So, as I see it, NO, you do not need to work on implementing a new web based VCS.
> > I do encourage others to comment on this, Jordi, Carnë?
>
> Not needed at all. It will use mercurial and there's hgweb already.


> The repositories will not be hosted at Agora, only the releases will
> be uploaded there, so browsing the repository will come from where it
> is hosted at.
>
> Carnë

Thank you Carnë and Carlo for your feedback. I will keep it in mind.

On 28 October 2012 09:52, Ben Abbott <address@hidden> wrote:
> I'm also unable to login.  I had written done my username/password.  Either I got that wrong ... or something changed?  I'd assumed to former (a common mistake of mine), but if others are having the same problem, maybe the latter?
>
> Ben

Are you still unable to log in? If so, have you checked that your account still exists? I believe (Jordi can correct me on this) that the database was reset at some point (before October 17), which would result in the deletion of previously-created accounts.