Re: [Pan-users] Re: How to remove MIME encoding?

[Vitaly Samourov]

Hi Duncan and Loki,
I appreciate your spending time to answer for my questions!

My experiments with sending post via Thunderbird's SMTP were
not successful.
So I decided (for now at least) to use thunderbird if I want to post
something in to the newsgroup. But since I'm more reader of news,
it happens very rarely.

Br
-Vitali

* Duncan <address@hidden> [Tue, 1 May 2007 09:00:13 +0000 (UTC)]:
> Vitaly Samourov <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted 
below,
> on  Tue, 01 May 2007 00:28:40 +0400:
>
> > I have tested this (group preferences -> koi-8r), but it does not
> help.
>
> As I said, I have little knowledge of i18n (internationalization, i, 
18
> letters, n, in this case, as related to charsets), so can't directly
> help
> with that.
>
> > Could the problem be here? -> Thunderbird uses my smtp server for
> > outgoing posts, but Pan allows sending only via news server (Am I
> > correct?)
> >
> > Maybe news server does a MIME re-encoding?
>
> I don't fully understand fidonet or other moderated newsgroups either,
> in
> part because I've not had to deal with such groups very often, so have
> never /had/ to understand them in ordered to troubleshoot.  If it 
didn't
> work, I just skipped it and went elsewhere.  However, that said, 
here's
> how I understand them to work, but perhaps you know this and more and
> should be explaining things to me?
>
> Moderated newsgroups (including fidonet groups as gated to USENET),
> unlike other newsgroups, don't immediately make available posts to 
them.
> Posts must instead be forwarded (via mail) to the official group
> moderator, who then either approves or rejects the post.  If it's
> approved, it's reposted to the newsgroup with a header indicating
> approval.  (It is said that one notorious moderated hacker group was 
in
> fact specifically setup with a fake moderator, the idea being that 
those
> who knew enough to be able to correctly fake the approved header were 
by
> definition qualified to post.  Now days, I understand most moderated
> groups use key-signed approvals, making faking the approval rather 
more
> difficult.)
>
> Thus, while a properly configured on the server moderated group should
> allow posting, but then forward them to the moderator (via mail) 
rather
> than making them directly available in the group as usual, it's also
> possible for a news client, given the proper information about the
> group,
> to mail the moderator directly, bypassing the news server, so while 
the
> server is used to download messages, they are posted via mail instead.
>
> AFAIK you are correct, pan doesn't do this by default (maybe 
thunderbird
> does, I wouldn't know, nor would I know if additional information is
> necessary for it to do so if it does).
>
> However, pan CAN use your mailer to reply via mail as well or instead 
of
> replying via group.  This is normally used to send a reply directly to
> the poster (via mail) as well as to the group, but it can be used to
> send
> the reply anywhere via mail, including to the group moderator directly
> if
> you have the address available to put in.  Simply put an email address
> in
> the mailto header, deleting anything in the newsgroups header, and pan
> will then hand off to your regular mailer (or whatever you have pan
> configured to use for mail, it must handle mailto: protocol however,
> some
> don't) for processing.
>
> Here, my configured mailer is kmail (pan is set to use the KDE 
default,
> which is kmail in my configuration), which is setup to add its own sig
> and etc.  Thus, unless I intervene when the message pops up in kmail
> before it's sent from there, anything pan forwards via mail gets two
> sigs, the pan sig and the kmail sig, and is sent from kmail's default
> address (which is not the one I use for news), so I must remember to
> change it in the mailer before I tell it to send.
>
> As for fidonet, they are their own network that AFAIK predated or at
> least grew up in parallel to USENET.  As such, they must be gateway-ed
> to
> USENET, and what you see in pan when you see a fidonet group is the
> gateway-ed fidonet group.  As gateway-ed newsgroups, fidonet groups
> appear as moderated groups.  However, I /believe/ they are in some 
ways
> easier to automate than regular moderated newsgroups, in that a single
> moderator normally covers a whole segment of fidonet.  Thus, it's
> relatively ease for a news client such as thunderbird that does mail 
as
> well, to be configured to direct-mail the moderator, instead of 
posting
> to the moderated group on the server and hoping the server is 
configured
> properly to forward the message from there.  Regardless, pan doesn't
> pretend to be a mail client, only a news client, so it hands mail off 
to
> your mailer as explained above.  This will by definition make it 
harder
> to automate such read-via-news-post-via-mail things, and at present, 
pan
> doesn't do it.  You either send to the newsgroup and hope the server 
is
> configured correctly to forward to the moderator, or you send the 
reply
> via mail and manually put in the moderator's address.  That bypasses 
the
> news server, but course you must know the moderator's address in 
ordered
> to do it, and it'd be a hassle to do in any sort of volume.
>
> However, if you are active in a lot of fidonet groups, it would 
perhaps
> be better to use them directly, rather than trying to gateway thru
> usenet.  As I said, however, I know little about fidonet, so just how 
to
> do that is as they say, "left as an exercise for the reader." <g>
>
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Br
-Vitali



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