Re: [Pan-users] Re: A couple of Pan question

[Ben Barto]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Duncan <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> Ben Barto <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted
> below, on  Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:12:23 -0400:
>
> > -ThanksI&#39;m currently using Pan 0.132.  I&#39;m fairly certain some
> > features are missing from the previous version, but I thought I&#39;d
> > ask anyway. Firstly, in older versions of Pan, there was a
> > &quot;Folders&quot; area, where posted messages were kept.  Is there any
> > way to see which articles I&#39;ve posted to which newsgroups?  And
> > secondly, I was formerly able to right click on a newsgroup and show the
> > number of articles in that particular group.  This was especially useful
> > in determining if the group was worthwhile.  Is there any way to see the
> > total number of messages in a group?<br>
> > <br><br>-Thanks<br><br>_______________________________________
>
> First, you're posting to the pan list, a list some of us read /using/
> pan.  If you can't be bothered to turn off HTML posting in general (for
> security reasons and because some people seriously boost the spam score
> of anything coming in as HTML, and not to look like one of those "Eternal
> September" people, google it if you need to), please at /least/ do so for
> the pan list, as you likely already know what HTML looks like in pan, or
> any other non-HTML client.

Oops, forgot to hit the text button.

>
> As for the questions...
>
> The "folders" are gone, yes.  FWIW, there were complications to the
> previous implementation in any case, which caused a number of hard to
> resolve bugs.
>
> There are two things that /partially/ replace them, or at least sent
> messages.
>
> First, you download your posted messages like any others, now. (One of
> the bugs I mentioned above was that pan already had that message so it
> didn't download it when it came across it again, so you never saw if your
> message actually made it to the server without corruption, or not, since
> you always used the local copy.  That's not a problem now since your
> messages are downloaded like any other messages.)  Combine that with the
> fact that expiration is now dependent on your local pan settings, not on
> server settings, and you can retain any messages you download for as long
> as you wish.[1]

What I'm looking for more that just saving my own posted messages, is
a way to tell which newsgroup(s) I've recently posted messages in.  If
I posted say 6 messages in the past 3 days, it would be nice to be
able to tell which newsgroups I've posted to.


-Thanks

>
> Second, pan now has the save-draft and open-draft functionality.  So
> **IF** you remember, for particularly important messages or those you've
> worked on for awhile and want to make sure they get to the server, you
> can save a draft, send the message, and if it doesn't make it, open the
> saved draft and resend.
>
> Unfortunately, there's no way to automate that, and you have to remember
> to save the draft.
>
> The total messages per group info doesn't appear to be available any
> more, unfortunately.  There have been requests to bring it back, and it
> likely will come back at some point, but it hasn't been as urgently or
> popularly requested as some of the other things on the list (bringing
> back something to replace rules, so there's a way to auto-download, for
> instance, and a way to categorize the group list for those that might
> subscribe to a whole bunch of groups, are the two most requested
> features, see previous discussion in the archives for the deal on those,
> but there's a workaround for group categories, at least).
>
> Meanwhile, Charles' pan development has been very much on-again, off-
> again.  He'll pretty much ignore it for a couple years, then come back
> and go great guns for a year or so, then ignore it for awhile again.
> Right now is one of the "ignore" periods, and we users, even the regulars
> here on the list, don't really have any idea when he'll get back to it.
>
> In the mean time, however, one of the group regulars, K Haley, has git-
> cloned the Gnome pan repository and is doing some patching and stuff.
> Who knows where that will eventually lead, but that's what a lot of the
> regulars are using now, since upstream has been pretty much dead for two
> years, now, even if that's not unusual and it has come back before.
>
> .....
>
> [1] Do note that pan's cache is only 10 MB by default, however, so if you
> don't change that, setting messages not to expire will keep the headers,
> but you'll lose the messages themselves pretty fast if you download
> binaries, in a few weeks, perhaps, if you do text-only and aren't too
> active.  There's a cache size setting in preferences.xml, but
> deliberately no GUI config option for it as that's considered too complex
> for simple Gnome user's minds to comprehend, apparently, so you can set
> it, but only by editing the config file directly, using a text editor or
> whatever.  I have my cache set to several gigs and my expiration
> disabled, and am still building messages after about two years now of
> use.  Of course, after some time doing that, pan does begin to take
> longer and longer to startup, but I have it set to start with kde, and
> seldom quit it except to reboot or restart X and kde, so that's not a big
> issue.
>
> --
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
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