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Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] QEMU gmem implemention


From: Xiaoyao Li
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] QEMU gmem implemention
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 15:03:53 +0800
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On 9/21/2023 5:11 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
3. What is KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM going to look like? and do we need it?


Why implement it when you have to ask others for a motivation? 😉

Personally, I'm not sure if it is really useful, especially in this state.

Yeah, as of today, KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM is mainly a development vehicle, e.g. so that testing gmem doesn't require TDX/SNP hardware, debugging gmem guests
isn't brutally painful, etc.

Longer term, I have aspirations of being able to back most VMs with gmem, but that's going to require quite a bit more work, e.g. gmem needs to be mappable (when hardware allows it) so that gmem doesn't all but require double mapping,
KVM obviously needs to be able to read/write gmem, etc.

The value proposition is that having a guest-first memory type will allow KVM to optimize and harden gmem in ways that wouldn't be feasible for a more generic memory implementation.  E.g. memory isn't mapped into host userspace by default (makes it harder to accidentally corrupt the guest), the guest can have *larger* mappings than host userspace, guest memory can be served from a dedicated pool (similar-ish to hugetlb), the pool can be omitted from the direct map, etc.

Thanks for that information. Personally, I don't believe "to back most VMs with gmem", but that's a different discussion.

As a development vehicle to get TDX up and running it might be very valuable indeed. But it doesn't necessarily have to be merged in QEMU for that case -- especially in a semi-finished form.

It's true and I agree with it. I'll drop the KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM part in next version.

How would you like this series to proceed in next version? only the patches of gmem support without a user? or together with next QEMU TDX series?



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