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Re: [PATCH v7 1/2] memory: Update inline documentation


From: Akihiko Odaki
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/2] memory: Update inline documentation
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 17:43:15 +0900
User-agent: Mozilla Thunderbird

On 2025/01/10 4:37, Peter Xu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 02:29:21PM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 01:30:35PM +0100, BALATON Zoltan wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, Akihiko Odaki wrote:
Do not refer to "memory region's reference count"
-------------------------------------------------

Now MemoryRegions do have their own reference counts, but they will not
be used when their owners are not themselves. However, the documentation
of memory_region_ref() says it adds "1 to a memory region's reference
count", which is confusing. Avoid referring to "memory region's
reference count" and just say: "Add a reference to a memory region".
Make a similar change to memory_region_unref() too.

Refer to docs/devel/memory.rst for "owner"
------------------------------------------

memory_region_ref() and memory_region_unref() used to have their own
descriptions of "owner", but they are somewhat out-of-date and
misleading.

In particular, they say "whenever memory regions are accessed outside
the BQL, they need to be preserved against hot-unplug", but protecting
against hot-unplug is not mandatory if it is known that they will never
be hot-unplugged. They also say "MemoryRegions actually do not have
their own reference count", but they actually do. They just will not be
used unless their owners are not themselves.

Refer to docs/devel/memory.rst as the single source of truth instead of
maintaining duplicate descriptions of "owner".

Clarify that owner may be missing

---------------------------------
A memory region may not have an owner, and memory_region_ref() and
memory_region_unref() do nothing for such.

memory: Clarify owner must not call memory_region_ref()
--------------------------------------------------------

The owner must not call this function as it results in a circular
reference.

Signed-off-by: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>
Reviewed-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
---
include/exec/memory.h | 59 ++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------------
1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)

diff --git a/include/exec/memory.h b/include/exec/memory.h
index 9458e2801d50..ca247343f433 100644
--- a/include/exec/memory.h
+++ b/include/exec/memory.h
@@ -1210,7 +1210,7 @@ void memory_region_section_free_copy(MemoryRegionSection 
*s);
  * memory_region_add_subregion() to add subregions.
  *
  * @mr: the #MemoryRegion to be initialized
- * @owner: the object that tracks the region's reference count
+ * @owner: the object that keeps the region alive
  * @name: used for debugging; not visible to the user or ABI
  * @size: size of the region; any subregions beyond this size will be clipped
  */
@@ -1220,29 +1220,26 @@ void memory_region_init(MemoryRegion *mr,
                         uint64_t size);

/**
- * memory_region_ref: Add 1 to a memory region's reference count
+ * memory_region_ref: Add a reference to the owner of a memory region
  *
- * Whenever memory regions are accessed outside the BQL, they need to be
- * preserved against hot-unplug.  MemoryRegions actually do not have their
- * own reference count; they piggyback on a QOM object, their "owner".
- * This function adds a reference to the owner.
- *
- * All MemoryRegions must have an owner if they can disappear, even if the
- * device they belong to operates exclusively under the BQL.  This is because
- * the region could be returned at any time by memory_region_find, and this
- * is usually under guest control.
+ * This function adds a reference to the owner of a memory region to keep the
+ * memory region alive. It does nothing if the owner is not present as a memory
+ * region without owner will never die.
+ * For references internal to the owner, use object_ref() instead to avoid a
+ * circular reference.

Reading this again I'm still confused by this last sentence. Do you mean
references internal to the memory region should use object_ref on the memory
region or that other references to the owner should use object_ref on the
owner? This sentence is still not clear about that.

Having two refcounts are definitely confusing.. especially IIRC all MRs'
obj->free==NULL, so the MR's refcount isn't working.  Dynamic MR's needs
its g_free() on its own.

We still have instance_finalize that will fire when the MR's refcount gets zero so it has its own use cases.


I acked both patches, but maybe it could indeed be slightly better we drop
this sentence, meanwhile in patch 2 we can drop the object_ref() too: it
means for parent/child MRs that share the same owner, QEMU does nothing on
the child MRs when add subregion, because it assumes the child MR will
never go away when the parent is there who shares the owner.

So maybe we try not to touch MR's refcount manually, but fix what can be
problematic for owner->ref only.

As an attached comment: I may have forgot some context on this issue, but I
still remember I used to have a patch that simply detach either parent or
child MR links when finalize().  It's here:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZsenKpu1czQGYz7m@x1n/

I see this issue was there for a long time so maybe we want to fix it one
way or another.  I don't strongly feel which way to go, but personally I
still prefer that way (I assume that can fix the same issue), and it
doesn't have MR's refcount involved at all, meanwhile I don't see an issue
yet with it..


For this particular topic I have somewhat a strong opinion that we should care the two reference counters.

Indeed, dealing with two reference counters is not fun, but sometimes it is necessary to do reference counting correctly. Your patch is to avoid reference counting for tracking dependencies among regions with the same owner, and it does so by ignoring the reference from container to subregion.

I prefer to keep reference counting correct instead of having an additional ad-hoc measure that breaks reference relationships.



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