Re: [Simulavr-devel] Simulavrxx fork started

[Onno Kortmann]

Hi Eric, Joerg, Petr, Thomas and everyone else,

> > Also, there's a knob on the Savannah web interface people who want to
> > join a project could press, leaving a short explanation about their
> > intentions as a project member.  So far, there's just a single pending
> > request (by Colin Coombs, but I've never read that name before, nor
> > could I remember having seen the email from his request, it probably
> > predates the time when I became a project admin).  There's no request
> > filed by Onno, none by Petr, none by anybody else.  Sorry, but you
> > couldn't have been all that serious about your request then either.
> >     
>
> I will back Joerg 100% on this. Look at the work that Joel Sherrill did on 
> simulavr. He didn't complain about the type of revision control system. He just 
> joined in in helping to move a project forward by providing patches, and doing 
> the necessary work. Because of that, he was made a developer and admin of the 
> project easily. There seems to be some of you more interested in using git, 
> then in actual development. Who really cares about the type of revision control 
> system that is being used? If git is required for this project then we would 
> use it. As it stands, this project is so small that either CVS or SVN is 
> sufficient for the project. One uses tools to do a job, not fit the job to the 
> tools.
>   
I will have a side discussion with Thomas on what our take on your 
response to the fork is, but until we sort this out, I just like to 
point out some very important things:

1. who knows that the 'I want devel-access' knob on savannah will 
trigger more of a response than a well-though-out patch on the ML or 
savannahs tracker will do?
2. git has very specific advantages in this very situation that we tried 
to explain very thoroughly
3. I feel a bit (but just a bit offended :-) by your above comment about 
using a VCS more than doing development. Please, as a very friendly 
suggestion, try out git and load our repo. There are real changes.

and fourth, and most importantly and in my defense, have a look at this 
old discussion here, and look at the authors :-)

http://www.mail-archive.com/address@hidden/msg00557.html

> It requires more effort to work together as a group, especially as volunteers. 
> Perhaps it's too much effort for some people that they just have to move 
> elsewhere and make a fork.
>   
I know and we do not want to offend anyone with this fork. You even said 
about myself that I know when to ask for review (thank you :-)

We just tried to move some things we felt to be core issues but failed 
(lethargy on this list) and did not want to stop development until 
anyone cares about us. And we want to be a lot more flexible in what is 
tried out. That is the main reason for our fork.

Other simulator projects are appearing left and right. _This_ takes 
developers away. Not our fork which is, at the moment, as Petr pointed 
out, more of a continuation.

The last update on savannah is from 2005. The web page is from 2004. 
Something _IS_ wrong with that :-)

Best wishes and do not be too angry about us :-)

Onno