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Re: [Debian-sf-devel] NonFree software and Debian SF


From: James Michael DuPont
Subject: Re: [Debian-sf-devel] NonFree software and Debian SF
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 05:55:50 -0800 (PST)

OK
my personal pick is 
>>http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpaga/
it is BSD, can be converted to GPL, is PHP, and is well used.

> and probably better if the developper is confident with the used api.
Ok, so the C code would be the best? something small and fast.
Maybe some gdgraph stuff.

The other thing that i would like to know from you,
what is your statement on webservices and plugins,
can I make non-free plugins and atttach them to gforge? If so
what interfaces allow that? GForge is GPL, and this brings us back to
the question of the linking. 

My work on creating a plugin for the GCC has lead me to a large open
question on the licensing of GPL and webservices. What is in your
opinon a plug in, is that a derived product? 

Also i have heard that the Zend license is not GPL compatible, how can
I have a mix of PHP and GPL? Do all modules in the Gforge have to be
GPLed?
See this thread on debian legal : 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/debian-legal-199907/msg00113.html

"> What you're saying is that you may not use GPL'd software in
conjunction 
> with non GPL software, from a user's standpoint.  That's completely
absurd 
> in my opinion.  The user may not link GPL'd software with non GPL'd 
> software at his own discretion?

No, I'm saying that you may not distribute GPL'd software in conjuction
with software with license which conflicts with the GPL. This is not a
problem from the users standpoint, this is a problem from a
distributors
standpoint. It means that for example Debian can't distribute php
linked
against a GPL library. "

Anyway, I am just learning about the PHP licensing, but i do have my
wonders.

mike
--- Christian BAYLE <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> First I hope jpgraph will go free
> I have no special preferences, no religion about langages.
> I would say that php is probably easier to integrate,
> after it's better when it is not consuming a lot of CPU,


> 
> Christian
> 
> James Michael DuPont a écrit:
> 
> >ok. Sorry. I am jumping to the gun here. Please disregard my mail
> then
> >on that point.
> >
> >please advise, what do you think about the other packages suggested
> in
> >my mail? Any particular preference.
> >
> >--- Christian BAYLE <address@hidden> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>You can use jpgraph with gforge package, but it's not even
> suggested.
> >>I removed the experimental package from my sites, waiting the
> answer.
> >>The gantt chart feature is not included in debian-sf package at
> all.
> >>
> >>I sent email to jpgraph creator to clarify the situation, and hope
> a 
> >>positive answer
> >>jpgraph is ready to be uploaded in debian, but won't be in main if
> it
> >>is 
> >>not free of course,
> >> and even probably not in non-free.
> >>
> >>Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>James Michael DuPont a écrit:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Dear Team,
> >>>
> >>>I was very suprised and very disappointed to see that 
> >>>we now have non-free software in the debian-sf/gforge system.
> >>>(JPGraph, or something like that)
> >>>
> >>>In any case, if it is not in free under debian, then we can and
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>should
> >>    
> >>
> >>>not use it. I would like to see why this decision was made and who
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>made
> >>    
> >>
> >>>it? 
> >>>
> >>>I would like to ask you to reconsider this decision!
> >>>
> >>>If you want gannt charts, here is a package that can handle them
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>(under
> >>    
> >>
> >>>BSD, and can be converted to GPL)
> >>>http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpaga/
> >>>
> >>>Here you can run gnuplot via perl
> >>>http://www.tjhsst.edu/~dhechtma/techlab/gnuplot/
> >>>
> >>>The GNOME Guppi could be embedded on the server side,
> >>>or ran on the client
> >>>http://www.gnome.org/projects/guppi/
> >>>
> >>>MRTG / Multi Router Traffic Grapher
> >>>http://www.mrtg.org/
> >>>
> >>>And the rrdtool :
> >>>http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/
> >>>
> >>>(in c)
> >>>http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/
> >>>
> >>>and from webmin (in perl)
> >>>http://webminstats.sourceforge.net/
> >>>
> >>>I find it even crazy that you would use non-free software before
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>using
> >>    
> >>
> >>>perl or python. 
> >>>
> >>>The guys from gnuenterprise.org and dotgnu.org will be sure to
> help
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>out
> >>    
> >>
> >>>if needed. 
> >>>
> >>>I find that you should make a list of all non-free software in
> >>>gforge/debian-sf and give them 30 days to offer it to you under a
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>free
> >>    
> >>
> >>>license, otherwise we will post a public call for help to help
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>replace
> >>    
> >>
> >>>any and all non-free software to the entire free software word.
> >>>
> >>>What do you think?
> >>>
> >>>mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>=====
> >>>James Michael DuPont
> >>>http://introspector.sourceforge.net/
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >=====
> >James Michael DuPont
> >http://introspector.sourceforge.net/
> >
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> 


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