Re: [avrdude-dev] Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Hosting requirements inavrdude

[Michal Ludvig]

Nicely put, Eric!

In fact I'm glad for Mario to come over and wave hands like crazy. Such
a behaviour from (presumably) an official GNU representative discredits
Savannah from consideration of a hosting platform for my future open
source projects. There's still too many platforms to choose from so
thanks, Mario, to narrowing down the list and making the decision a bit
easier ;-)

Michal

On 04/19/2010 08:49 AM, Weddington, Eric wrote:
> 
> We understand that there are hosting requirements for a project on Savannah. 
> I don't even think that we have objections to them, even if we find one or 
> two of them a bit silly, and that overall we would be willing to comply in 
> some manner. 
> 
> I do think that there are several other issues here that need to be addressed:
> 
> 1. Identify who you are. I don't this Mario person at all. It would be 
> helpful if he identified who he is, what organization is he from, and what 
> the purpose of the email. Otherwise he comes across as every other 
> opinionated person in the public, who would be duly ignored if he 
> communicated that way.
> 
> 2. Try to have reasonably good English. If you're an admin, and speaking as 
> an authority from some group, then it is helpful to have at least decent 
> spelling. I understand that English is not everyone's first language; I 
> regularly work on many free and open source projects with people from all 
> around the world with varying degrees of command of the language. But with 
> that many spelling errors in the email, I was beginning to wonder if this was 
> a troll.
> 
> 3. Be specific. One should read Eric Raymond's "How to Ask Questions the 
> Smart Way": <http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>. If you're going 
> to tell us that something is wrong with the project, then please be specific 
> as to what is wrong so we don't have to play "20 questions" to guess where it 
> is at. Like all volunteer developers our time is always limited, and the more 
> detailed you can be, the easier it is for us to fix it. Or maybe if someone 
> is really motivated, patches are always welcome. ;-)
> 
> 4. Which brings me to my next point: DO NOT GO AND CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE 
> PROJECT WITHOUT PERMISSION! This was *way over the line* and heavy-handed. 
> The point is to communicate with us first! Give us time to work out the 
> issues and get things fixed. If you come across as a dictator, then that 
> makes us feel like our project is not welcome, and we *will* move elsewhere.
> 
> Bottom line: If you are unreasonable, then it gives us no incentive to be 
> reasonable back. If you are reasonable, we will work towards fixing any 
> perceived problems.
> 
> Eric Weddington
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
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>> rg] On Behalf Of Sylvain Beucler
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:10 PM
>> To: address@hidden
>> Cc: address@hidden
>> Subject: [avrdude-dev] Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Hosting 
>> requirements inavrdude
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Hmm, it looks like the situation somewhat got out of hands.
>> Apologizes if you felt the request was worded unpolitely.
>>
>> We'll discuss the problem and come back to you in a while to clarify
>> the situation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- 
>> Sylvain
>>
>>
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