Re: Choice of bug tracker

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 31/08/2023 05:07, Richard Stallman wrote:
> The Gitlab software ls a different issue.  I gather that it is all
> free software, so there is no bar to our installing it on a server and
> running it.  If Gitlab.com changes its policy, we could continue running
> the previous version of the software, or else patch their release.

When we talk about trying Gitlab, we mean this approach. We already have 
an experimental instance running on GNU's servers, after all. The 
aforementioned EMBA.

> Regarding using an email responder to file submissions in a server:
>
>    > The main limitation, however, is that this design requires people to
>    > create accounts in the system. Even just to file new reports.
>
> If a server requires that, that is a major negative.  Aside from being
> a nuisance for each person to start to use, it also infringes each
> user's privacy.
>
> Worse, if the site requires that, it may also require running nonfree
> Javascript to create an account.  That would be morally unacceptable:
> we can't direct users to run nonfree programs.
>
> If the site does not do that now, will it start some years from now?
> Will it start using Cloudflare, which requires nonfree Javascript for
> users coming in through the Tor network?  If the developers don't
> share our values, we have to treat that as a permanent danger.

Again, we're talking about a self-hosted solution. The (apparently 
solved) issue of reCaptcha was mentioned upthread (there is now a 
setting which switches to a different, simpler method that doesn't use 
Google's solution).

> I have a possible workaround for all of that.  Could we use one single
> account GNU-EMAIL to file all email submissions, and record who really
> sent each submission (obtained from the From field) in another data
> field in the submission?

I don't know about the feasibility of saving the "From" value into 
another data field in the same database, but whatever piece of code 
would be running the "one single account" could potentially maintain a 
database of associations between bug reports and email accounts (reporters).

But that's an open-ended feature, e.g. at some point people will want to 
be able to unsubscribe from email follow-ups in those threads, and we 
would be required to add that feature too (maybe even by law). We're 
talking about a mailing list software, basically.

> If the site developers care about us a little, they could add a
> feature to use the From-field submitter, for display and search,
> instead of the account name, when that latter is GNU-EMAIL.
>
> (With a little more work they could make this feature more elegant and
> general, so other projects could do likewise.  Each would make its own
> account for email submissions.  We could release the email responder
> program as a GNU package so they couid use it.)

Looking at past reports, Gitlab developers do discuss our issues and fix 
some of them, but not all, and not right away. Which seems logical overall.

Speaking of privacy, though, not exposing everybody's unobfuscated email 
addresses to the web is considered a privacy advantage in many contexts. 
That helps avoid spam, and it helps tracking an individual across the 
Web a little more difficult (because for every platform the searches 
would at least have to work out the specific way every given site 
obfuscates the emails, if they're available at all).

OTOH, having to create an account doesn't seem to create any additional 
privacy risks, if we're only asking for email, password, and the account 
verification using said email.