Re: [Gnumed-devel] Fwd: Happy birthday Debian Med any announcement of MOM

[Sebastian Hilbert]

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 01:09:12 PM Andreas Tille wrote:
> :-)
> 
> So the message took close to 4 monthes to propagate.  Thanks for
> sharing anyway ...
> 

It just took f4 month for me to realize that not everyone might be reading the 
Debian-med mailing list :-)

And given the fact that some people on this list are just silently following 
this list I considered this a welcome oppurtunity.

Last but not least I am looking for someone willing to regularly update the 
GNUmed packages (to get that off your back :-) and maybe to convert them to 
Ubuntu packages.

Regards,
Sebastian

> Kind regards
> 
>      Andreas.
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:32:06PM +0200, Sebastian Hilbert wrote:
> > FYI.
> > 
> > Please see the message below. If anyone lurking here feels like helping
> > out by learning how to package and update software for Debian/Ubuntu
> > please feel free to contact the folks of Debian-med.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sebastian Hilbert
> > 
> > Best regards
> > ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> > 
> > Subject: Happy birthday Debian Med any announcement of MOM
> > Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
> > From: Andreas Tille <address@hidden>
> > To: Debian Med Project List <address@hidden>
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm happy to announce that the Debian Med project now has passed its
> > 10th birthday which according to [0] should be considered
> > 
> >    Mon, 7 Jan 2002
> > 
> > We are now in need of a master of ceremony who makes sure we will not
> > forget this date next time.  While we missed the date somehow I propose
> > to do a small celebration at the Debian Med sprint at end of January
> > in Southport[1].
> > 
> > I would like to say thanks to everybody who helped the project
> > developing from a single person with a crazy idea who started by picking
> > up some orphaned biomedical packages to a strong team maintaining a set
> > of over 200 highly specialised packages with a high quality standard.
> > Many thanks - ten years ago I did not imagine that we could reach that a
> > strong state!
> > 
> > To ensure that this development of a strong team will continue I would
> > like to propose a new effort I would like to call
> > 
> >               "Mentoring Of the Month"  (MOM)
> > 
> > In this program I would like to dedicate a part of my spare time to a
> > newcomer (the "student") providing any packaging knowledge I have to
> > enable him working more or less independently on packaging after passing
> > this MOM period.  I like to guide the student kindly into all secrets of
> > Debian packaging at the example of a specific program which is in the
> > focus of the Debian Med team.  The student is free to pick the package
> > however, I would like to have a vetoing right in case I see the package
> > in some way as "unfit for the MOM project" (too complicated, too
> > non-free, too far away from Debian Med topic, too whatever).  At the end
> > of the month the goal is that
> > 
> >    a) The package in question is finished and uploaded
> >    b) The student is able to do advanced packaging tasks and is
> >    
> >       introduced into the communication channels of Debian Med
> >       team
> > 
> > The communication about this should be tagged with "[MOM]" in the
> > subject line of the exchanged mails to enable others who might not be
> > interested to procmail it out of their focus and enables other potential
> > students to learn from this.
> > 
> > In this MOM process I would like to apply some strict rules:
> >   1. If I'm posting something on the list containing [MOM] in the
> >   
> >      subject the student tries hard to respond with any comment (if not
> >      better possible something like:  I have no idea but I will do some
> >      research like asking upstream or whatever - just leaving a hint
> >      that he feels responsible somehow).
> >   
> >   2. The student tries to follow any of my commits to the package which
> >   
> >      is in focus of the MOM plan and favourably sends a comment like
> >      
> >       - Its OK for me
> >       - What does this mean, please explain
> >       - I would prefer ... instead of your change
> >      
> >      To get informed about the changes the student needs to be
> >      subscribed to the commit mailing list[2] or at least do regular
> >      "svn up; svn log"
> >      He just tries to find a useful comment to any commit just to make
> >      sure he has understood things and will be able to do it himself
> >      in the future.
> >   
> >   3. The student confirms that he succeeded in building the package
> >   
> >      according to the state in SVN in case it builds or he is able to
> >      reproduce the error message of the build process.
> >   
> >   4. If there is any problem the student will ask on the Debian Med
> >   
> >      mailing list (tagging the subject [MOM] to not spam others to much.)
> >      
> >      This list should be the main communication channel to show others:
> >       a) we are working on a problem
> >       b) how things could be sorted out via open discussion
> >       c) how they could learn things about packaging
> >      
> >      We can also communicate via #debian-med IRC channel, however
> >      the time I have access to the evening hours (MET).
> >   
> >   5. The student post a status report about the packaging every day
> >   
> >      reporting about changes he did, issues he faced or discussions
> >      he did with upstream etc.
> > 
> > Please be careful.  The MOM plan is *work*.  While I would like you to
> > show that work can be fun I expect the student to do some work in the
> > same way as I offer to spend my spare time to do the other part of the
> > work which needs to be done.  So I will ask the student whether he did
> > his part of the work if I have done mine.  If not I will stop the work
> > on this package and will continue with another MOM student and his
> > package (in case there might be a waiting list).
> > 
> > My hope in MOM is that we will be able to train those silent observers
> > of the list to become more vocal.  This training not only provides
> > technical knowledge.  I learned that this is only 50% of the job.  The
> > other part is communication which is heavily underestimated.  I do not
> > mean plain chatting - I mean communication which leads straight to a
> > technical implementation.
> > 
> > I'm really keen on seeing whether some students might raise their hand
> > to take part in the MOM project.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> >         Andreas.
> > 
> > [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/01/msg00454.html
> > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMed/Meeting/Southport2012
> > [2] https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-med-commit
> > [3] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-med-commit/