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Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file.
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Ricardo Wurmus |
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Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file. |
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Sat, 07 Sep 2019 19:56:58 +0200 |
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mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 |
Hey Marius,
> If you are on Guix System and find that you need /usr/bin/env, you are
> already a "power user": you are venturing outside of what is provided by
> Guix alone.
I don’t follow this argument.
Using a custom script with a /usr/bin/env shebang is pretty common. You
don’t need to be a power user for that, and certainly not a *Guix* power
user.
On the other hand I’d like to point out that pretty much all defaults we
provide in system services can be overridden — and that’s where it helps
being an advanced user. This is true for things like the desktop
services (which aim to make setting up a generic desktop system easy and
non-surprising), but also for every other service.
Personally, I think it’s a good idea to default to having /usr/bin/env
shebangs just work on Guix Systems.
The argument that /usr/bin/env could make software work by accident when
testing on a Guix System is not very convincing to me. We don’t have
/bin/sh or /usr/bin/env in the build environment. Software behaviour is
also affected by the presence of /usr, /lib, /bin, etc, and these can
all exist at runtime. We assume that building in an isolated
environment is usually sufficient; and yet we sometimes find that
applications behave differently when run inside of containers
(e.g. applications that call out to coreutils that are usually available
in a normal system).
With the same reasoning we could argue against having coreutils on PATH.
This is not an exaggeration: R depended on coreutils to be on PATH at
runtime and we only found out when we ran it in a container without
coreutils.
Am I missing something?
--
Ricardo
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., (continued)
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2019/09/07
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Jesse Gibbons, 2019/09/07
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Ludovic Courtès, 2019/09/08
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Jesse Gibbons, 2019/09/08
- Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2019/09/08
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Mark H Weaver, 2019/09/06
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Marius Bakke, 2019/09/07
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Ludovic Courtès, 2019/09/08
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Bengt Richter, 2019/09/09
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Ludovic Courtès, 2019/09/09
Re: 01/01: services: Add ‘/usr/bin/env’ special file., Chris Marusich, 2019/09/08