Re: [Help-gnunet] Checking the installation issues

[Nils Gillmann]

(Christian, you are in BCC because I assume you are the Mailinglist Op
and can look into wether Sven's Email has some issues on one of our
list (most likely the help-gnunet one))

Hi Sven,

Svenerik_vn transcribed 9.1K bytes:
> "If you are not comfortable building from source"
> 
> I actually tried this, but got stuck on GnuTLS. It said that it
> could not find Libnettle 2.7 even though I specifically installed
> nettle 2.7. I tried mailing the mailing list about this (two times),
> but got the mail back in return saying they don't trust the source
> or my email was in the registry or something, perhaps I need to sign
> up for the mailing list first, and then send? While we're at it:
> which of the mailing lists are the most suited for this kind of
> issue?

I've read and replied to that original email.  About your mail sending
problem to @gnu.org: with our gnunet mailinglist we have no sign-ups
required, but gnu.org has something called "whitelisting" (or was it
greylisting they use?). The non-technical TL;DR is: your first email
is put in a waiting queue. If you send a couple more in a certain time
span (10, 20 whatever) the system will think you are a "spammer" and
act on this. The usual procedure is to just wait and you will be
authorized to sent after something like 12-24 hours if memory serves
me right.
I think one of our Mailinglist operators will have to check if you
managed to get yourself listed. It's no problem and I will ask them
to handle this.

> "gnunet-arm, or short "arm", is our "Automatic Restart Manager" which is the 
> entry point for GNUnet sessions. If you want to run GNUnet, this is what you 
> execute, or a system-integrated solution providing the same "
> 
> This I didn't quite understand. After I have run "$ gnunet-arm" in terminal, 
> what to do?
>
> "Since the Drupal based books"
> 
> ? Drupal based books?
> 
> "here are the temporary new pages."
> 
> This is the latest configuration guidance or? I don't understand.

Yes, they are (for now).

> "Are you using Debian?"
> 
> I am using Trisquel 8. But I can still do those tests if that still will help?

Yes, because (in short words:) Trisquel is an Operating System based on Debian.

> "If you have the patience, I'd like to solve this with you."
> 
> Awesome! Yeah cool! But I believe the patience part is more important at your 
> side, because as I've said I have limited background knowledge with computing 
> so I might be asking many questions about things you probably take for 
> granted.
> 
> "we're all doing this on our free time, so the mailinglist works best, more 
> people could help, shared knowlege. Of course if you don't want this, it will 
> work out too"
> 
> No, yeah sure we can do the mailing list thing, but how do I do that? As 
> stated above I had some troubles.
> 
> "I have CC'd our help mailinglist again"
> 
> What is CC'd?

CC stands for "Carbon Copy".

But I suspect Protonmail has never really handled more than 1 out of
many bugs I filed when they started. It's an achievement they've got
more than HTML Emails now, years after they started. So, probably not
your fault that mailing to address@hidden does not happen
automatically.
In case you do not see the option to add "another recipient" or simply "CC"
in the recipient list for the Email, you can sent the email straight to
the mailinglist. I'm subscribed to it and will get your messages.


I will reply to the rest later today or on the weekend.


Thanks


> :)
> 
> ​Sven
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​
> 
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> 
> On May 31, 2018 10:33 AM, Nils Gillmann <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sven,
> > 
> > Svenerik_vn transcribed 3.7K bytes:
> > 
> > > "Can you please describe in detail the steps you did in the installation, 
> > > what you did to start GNUnet, etc pp?"
> > > 
> > > Well I just went "$ sudo apt install gnunet" and "$ sudo apt install 
> > > gnunet-gtk" etc.
> > 
> > Okay, that's the old 0.10.1 series. It is stable, but a significant portion 
> > of the network moved on.
> > 
> > We still have some last bugs to solve before we can release a new version. 
> > If you are not
> > 
> > comfortable building from source, 0.10.1 still works for checking GNUnet 
> > out.
> > 
> > > And I used the command provided in the guide I linked you which was "$ 
> > > gnunet-gtk" to
> > > 
> > > start it.
> > 
> > Okay, additionally you must set up gnunet in the system or user context.
> > 
> > gnunet-arm, or short "arm", is our "Automatic Restart Manager" which is
> > 
> > the entry point for GNUnet sessions. If you want to run GNUnet, this is
> > 
> > what you execute, or a system-integrated solution providing the same
> > 
> > > "I can guess that maybe the instruction wasn't clear enough that 
> > > gnunet-arm -s has to be issued and how GNUnet is supposed to be set up?"
> > > 
> > > Uhm.. where in the instructions do I find this?
> > 
> > Since the Drupal based books are no longer maintained, here are the 
> > temporary
> > 
> > new pages. Consider them quasi-official as I'm the de-facto main author of 
> > the
> > 
> > new Documentation started from the base of the old texts:
> > 
> > https://d.n0.is/pub/doc/gnunet/manual/gnunet/gnunet.html#Configuring-the-system
> > 
> > This is irregulary updated, you can get a PDF output as well, this is the
> > 
> > start page of the documentations: https://d.n0.is/pub/doc/gnunet/manual/
> > 
> > I just went through the books and it really is not very obvious (the
> > 
> > gnunet-arm command)...
> > 
> > In theory, Debian ... Are you using Debian? What does `cat /etc/os-release 
> > | grep "PRETTY_NAME"`
> > 
> > print out?... should provide a systemd service file for gnunet. However the 
> > 0.10.1 release could
> > 
> > predate Debian stable's switch to systemd if I'm not wrong.
> > 
> > In any case, does something like
> > 
> > systemctl status | grep "gnunet"
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > "systemctl start gnu" followed by (on the same line, directly after "gnu") 
> > <TAB><TAB> (basically command-completion)
> > 
> > show anything?
> > 
> > If not I have more than one job to work on.
> > 
> > > "If you can answer these questions you will help people who want to use 
> > > GNUnet in the future."
> > > 
> > > I'll try my best, but I have limited background knowledge in computing.
> > > 
> > > "because frankly the current status of how to get started sucks."
> > > 
> > > Well it definitely isn't very "newcomer-friendly" I can tell ya that.
> > 
> > If you have the patience, I'd like to solve this with you. Not too many 
> > people
> > 
> > approach us for help, at least in the last 2 years, about installing and 
> > setting
> > 
> > up GNUnet. It all goes into an echoe chamber in social networks usually.
> > 
> > So I really think it's very good you contacted us.
> > 
> > Ideally we can achieve the following:
> > 
> > -   you will get GNUnet running and set up
> >     
> >     (we're all doing this on our free time, so the mailinglist works best, 
> > more people
> >     
> >     could help, shared knowlege. Of course if you don't want this, it will 
> > work out too)
> >     
> > -   following the struggles you can describe, the manual can be updated and
> > -   if no systemd service file in Debian exists, we can add a set of 
> > service file suggestions
> >     
> >     to the code base (which you can then use). Furthermore, Debian has a 
> > point of orientation
> >     
> >     for the next release of GNUnet (optimistic case).
> >     
> >     I have CC'd our help mailinglist again, but if you state that you want
> >     
> >     to solve this offtopic, I will respect your decision with the next 
> > reply.
> >     
> > 
> > > Sven
> > > 
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > 
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > 
> > > On May 31, 2018 9:14 AM, Nils Gillmann address@hidden wrote:
> > > 
> > > > (please keep the mailinglist in CC)
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Sven,
> > > > 
> > > > Svenerik_vn transcribed 1.8K bytes:
> > > > 
> > > > > I am trying to use the GNUnet, because I think the concept of GNUnet 
> > > > > and GNS sounds awesome.
> > > > 
> > > > Cool, okay.
> > > > 
> > > > > But I encounter some problems when I go to
> > > > 
> > > > https://gnunet.org/user-handbook and then "Tutorial: Using GNUnet" >
> > > > 
> > > > Checking Installation.
> > > > 
> > > > > A little bit down on that page it says:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "When gnunet-gtk is started, the statistics area should be selected
> > > > 
> > > > at first. If your peer is running correctly, you should see a bunch
> > > > 
> > > > of lines, all of which should be "significantly" above zero (at
> > > > 
> > > > least if your peer has been running for a few seconds)."
> > > > 
> > > > > However, these lines are not appearant on my screen/system,
> > > > 
> > > > therefore I sent this email to ask what the problem might be.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry, but I still can't help you very much with the information
> > > > 
> > > > you provide. Can you please describe in detail the steps you did
> > > > 
> > > > in the installation, what you did to start GNUnet, etc pp?
> > > > 
> > > > Guessing won't help you and won't help me. I can guess that maybe
> > > > 
> > > > the instruction wasn't clear enough that gnunet-arm -s has to be
> > > > 
> > > > issued and how GNUnet is supposed to be set up?
> > > > 
> > > > If you can answer these questions you will help people who want to
> > > > 
> > > > use GNUnet in the future. I'm looking for these problems, because
> > > > 
> > > > frankly the current status of how to get started sucks.
> > > > 
> > > > > Sven
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > 
> > > > > On May 30, 2018 9:47 PM, Nils Gillmann address@hidden wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Sven,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Svenerik_vn transcribed 1.9K bytes:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > According to this page https://gnunet.org/checking-installation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I should be able to see "a bunch of lines" and seemingly also 
> > > > > > > some text.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I do not see these lines nor text.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Could you explain a bit more what your problem is and what you are
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > trying to do?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For your interest, the documentation on the Website is rapidly 
> > > > > > becoming
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > outdated, the new documentation can be found in the gnunet source 
> > > > > > repository,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and a preview[0] on my webserver, 
> > > > > > https://d.n0.is/pub/doc/gnunet/manual
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 0: With the new gnunet.org in 2019 we will provide online manuals
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Help-gnunet mailing list
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnunet
> 
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