Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3

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1. Re: migrate from nouns to objects (Connor Doherty)

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 00:04:44 -0500
From: Connor Doherty <cnnr_dhrty@live.com>
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<libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>, Johnny Merrill
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Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] migrate from nouns to objects
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At that rate, we should all just use lojban.

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> 1. Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 (Johnny Merrill)
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> From: Johnny Merrill <ruralhack@gmail.com>
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> We need to migrate from nouns, verbs, and conjunctions to objects,
> attributes, and operators.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iewwk1j4I3o
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> > 1. Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 71, Issue 6 (Charley Quinton)
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> > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 15:18:47 -0600
> > From: Charley Quinton <charleyquinton@gmail.com>
> > To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 71,
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> > CAJxLMTiesT4O6v7K6w1NBaZB2WM_80bT67YLGXhTgk5LdVoWKA@mail.gmail.com">CAJxLMTiesT4O6v7K6w1NBaZB2WM_80bT67YLGXhTgk5LdVoWKA@mail.gmail.com>
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> > Are you reading my mind, my document here ->
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> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MVB1RDkeS4Gh0eRtYhYPXFDK8I2ejcRyXi6ujtJPnH4/
> > or simply listening to common sense, Fabio? I agree whole-heartedly. See my
> > user page at LibrePlanet.
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> > libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
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> > > 1. Teaching programming and free software to those who can
> > > listen (and everybody else, too) (Fabio Pesari)
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> > > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:39:19 +0100
> > > From: Fabio Pesari <fabiop@gnu.org>
> > > To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> > > Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Teaching programming and free software
> > > to those who can listen (and everybody else, too)
> > > Message-ID: <56A24D27.2040101@gnu.org>
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> > > tl;dr: The free software community should teach as many people as it
> > > can about programming and free software. The best that can
> > > happen is that those people contribute to free software, and the
> > > worst is that they become aware of free software and learn how
> > > computers work, which might encourage them to reject nonfree
> > > software even if they don't end up becoming developers. Win-win.
> > >
> > > There are many courses nowadays which aim to teach programming
> > > (especially in schools) at zero cost, but those are usually funded by
> > > corporations who develop proprietary software and want to promote their
> > > own agendas and walled gardens, as well as lower the wages of
> > > future programmers (which goes against their purposes, since it will
> > > inevitably encourage independent crowdfunding).
> > >
> > > The free software community should do its best to make sure that when
> > > people are taught about programming, there isn't any bias toward
> > > proprietary technologies, and that free software is taught as an
> > > essential concept (like free speech) rather than something optional
> > > (like "open source"), with an emphasis on copyleft (otherwise, we'd
> > > be doing those companies a favor).
> > >
> > > It would be ideal to teach free software and programming directly in
> > > schools, but we all know that won't happen anytime soon for a number of
> > > reasons, so I thought perhaps we could offer people some
> > > *zero cost courses which ideally, should be recognized as valid
> > > certifications* (can the FSF or FSFE help there, I wonder)?
> > >
> > > Here's some people who might benefit from it, and that should be
> > > especially targeted (since they are snubbed by all of society):
> > >
> > > 1. Poor, unemployed people [Easy]
> > >
> > > These are sad times. A lot of (especially young) people are
> > > committing suicide (or crimes, see point 3) due to unemployment (and
> > > its consequences, like the impossibility to start a family,
> > > homelessness, mental illness, addiction and debt) and automation is
> > > only going to reduce the number of available jobs in the future
> > > (except programmers, until they get replaced by AIs).
> > >
> > > Even if a Basic Income is implemented globally, those people would
> > > still have a lot of free time on their hands and depend completely
> > > on their government, which might hurt their dignity as well as
> > > require them to be "good citizens" and accept every potential future
> > > law in order to be eligible for the BI, some of which could force
> > > them to use proprietary software (since most countries are
> > > considering to ban encryption without backdoors, even if it's just
> > > mathematics, and it's hard to enforce such a ban unless proprietary
> > > software is also enforced; it isn't hard to imagine a world in which
> > > developing or even using free software requires explicit
> > > authorization, and only corporations and the government are granted
> > > it - even if such a regime would last very shortly).
> > >
> > > Teaching programming to these people can help them find a job in one
> > > of the few fields that won't be affected by automation anytime soon,
> > > and contributing to free software can offer them a chance to build
> > > their portfolios and CVs.
> > >
> > > If they want to keep contributing to free software after they find a
> > > job, good for them (and us); if they don't, at least they will know
> > > about free software, which is more than you can say about most
> > > people who work in IT nowadays (who are all about "open source",
> > > which often just means writing the same programs over and over in
> > > _javascript_ using Sublime Text on Mac OS X and releasing them without
> > > any licensing info on Github).
> > >
> > > 2. Retired people [Medium]
> > >
> > > Retired people have a lot of time on their hands and they often
> > > are treated as if they are useless or unable to keep up with the
> > > younger generations, but I don't think that's true, and many of them
> > > are lonely and abandoned by their own families and would greatly
> > > benefit from the warmth of the free software community, as well as
> > > the sense of purpose that contributing to free software can offer
> > > (or maybe, just a nice hobby, or a side job because pensions are
> > > too low, especially now that many adults have to live with their
> > > parents due to unemployment, see point 1).
> > >
> > > The way old people are ignored and put aside in our technological
> > > world is cold and dehumanizing, and only free software can offer them
> > > a chance to participate (because, willing or not, even old people
> > > will be forced to interact with technology at some point).
> > >
> > > I spent a lot of time with old people in my life and I know they
> > > like to feel useful (or rather, helpful), just like everybody else.
> > > I'm Italian and in my country, old women who can't chew their own
> > > food will spend many hours preparing it for others, even when they
> > > are close to death, and feel happy and fulfilled when they see
> > > someone eat and enjoy it, even strangers.
> > >
> > > I think giving old people a second chance to participate in society
> > > is great, and that they have a lot of wisdom and perspective to offer
> > > that most of us don't have (especially when it comes to
> > > accessibility, UI and UX. If a granny can understand something,
> > > it means it's done properly).
> > >
> > > Plus, there are tons of old people who used to work in software
> > > development, it's just a matter of getting them into free
> > > software. People in retirement age include Larry Wall, who just
> > > helped create Perl 6, Ken Thompson & Rob Pike, co-creators of Go,
> > > Bjarne Stroustrup, who's making C++ better than ever and of course,
> > > RMS. I'm sure there's someone like them out there, maybe someone
> > > who's worked as a researcher or a C64 developer for many years and
> > > who can outcode even the leetest of us, and has never heard of free
> > > software but would jump on it if given the chance.
> > >
> > > 3. Prisoners [Hard]
> > >
> > > This can sound controversial - who would use a program
> > > knowing that it was written by a criminal?
> > >
> > > Ignoring the fact that authors can legally use a pseudonym, that
> > > I don't know anything about who wrote the programs I use daily,
> > > that a lot of people are arrested for nonviolent (often
> > > drug-related) offences and that some of them committed crimes due to
> > > hopelessness (see point 1), people have no issue listening to
> > > popular music or watching Hollywood films or mainstream sports, so
> > > I don't expect them to react differently to software.
> > >
> > > Some people who've been arrested are sincerely sorry for what
> > > they've done, are quietly paying their dues and would like to
> > > contribute back to society and to be offered a chance to reintegrate
> > > for when (if) they get out.
> > > (No need to mention those who are innocent or have been arrested
> > > under ridiculous charges, like free software developer Bassel
> > > Khartabil - I'm pretty sure that if he's alive, he'd rather write
> > > some free code than not. Please never forget about him, it could
> > > have been anyone who posts here!)
> > >
> > > Prisoners can already write books and record albums in some
> > > countries; there's no rational reason a prisoner shouldn't develop
> > > free software and even without access to the Internet, they still can
> > > write code that can be reviewed (for hidden messages) and submitted
> > > by authorities on their behalf, using a pseudonym if necessary.
> > >
> > > There are plenty of prisoners who can already program and most of
> > > the others would benefit from learning this trade, as they will
> > > likely be poor and unemployed when they get out (point 1), and even
> > > worse, with a criminal record. Why not give them a chance to have a
> > > better future, so that they are less likely to repeat their mistakes
> > > when they get out?
> > >
> > > Even if someone has been given a life sentence (the "hidden death
> > > penalty"), free software could give them another shot at life,
> > > something purposeful to look forward to and a chance to share
> > > something with the outside world, to redeem themselves and leave
> > > behind some good memories of them.
> > >
> > > Prison should aim to rehabilitate people, and free software can do
> > > that by teaching its altruistic values.
> > >
> > > Teaching programming to as many people as possible, in general, can
> > > only be helpful for the purpose of spreading free software. Let's say
> > > you teach programming to 1000 people - even if all of them find a job
> > > developing proprietary software (unlikely), the chance that at least
> > > one of them (but realistically, more) will develop or promote free
> > > software in their spare time and/or as part of their job is pretty high
> > > compared to the chance people who haven't been taught the same have.
> > >
> > > Of course, free software needs more than programmers. Designers and
> > > people who can spread the word (some would call it "marketing") are
> > > actually a bigger necessity right now - as we have plenty of free
> > > replacements for proprietary programs but nobody is using them, like
> > > Tox or GNU/Linux itself - but the idea is that spreading free software
> > > awareness to the largest number of people possible will naturally also
> > > bring in some who have those skills.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Any programmers willing to share their knowledge with
> > > everybody else?
> > >
> > >
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From:	Johnny Merrill
Subject:	Re: [libreplanet-discuss] libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3
Date:	Tue, 2 Feb 2016 06:59:00 -0800