Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

[TechLibre]

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On September 15, 2019 3:37:23 PM GMT-05:00, Betsy Garrett 
<betsy.luebbe.garrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion
>has
>run its course.
>
>On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre <nthomas@techlibre.net>
>wrote:
>
>> My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent
>and
>> neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's
>help.
>>
>> The consent issue and very poor to criminal parenting are
>intertwined.
>>
>> In a society where Billy Ray helps Hanna Montana become Miley, I
>guess we
>> have to unravel that on an FSF thread by blaming Stallman for raising
>> exactly that issue.
>>
>> I have teenagers with 2 passports. I live in a country with 1 million
>> brand new Venezuelan refugees.
>>
>> Trust me, the consent and law 'popular opinions' are the problem,
>zero
>> kids/girls/women will be pulled off the stroll in Lima Peru by this
>mailing
>> list.
>>
>> The same applies in Cambridge, Mass.
>>
>> The tragedy is, there's enough money and brain power on this list to
>> change hundreds of individual lives beyond FreeSoftware, but no
>keyboards
>> would be involved and you'd most certainly end up around people who
>make
>> you uncomfortable.
>>
>> I'm going to hold my record of fixing zero of Stallman's bugs, and
>> Epstein's look all done.
>>
>> There's this one bug though...where a young woman might think getting
>on a
>> plane with a rich guy for the weekend is a good idea and her best
>option to
>> make money.
>>
>> Damn I hate that bug.
>> --
>> Freesoftware is Agorism for people who are good at computer.
>>
>> On September 15, 2019 2:40:03 PM GMT-05:00, MARY-ANNE WOLF <
>> mgwmgw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being
>> >claimed here.  A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below
>the
>> >age of giving sexual consent "presents herself as being willing" to
>> >Epstein, an adult man aged over 21.  This happens with multiple
>> >underage girls on more than one occasion.
>> >
>> >So if Epstein has sex with each underage girl after she "presents
>> >herself as being willing", are you arguing that statutory rape has
>not
>> >occured?  If so, on what grounds?
>> >
>> >If it were one girl, we could debate whether Epstein believed that
>the
>> >young lady was older than was the case.  If we are talking about
>> >multiple underage girls, using an airplane named "The Lolita
>Express"
>> >that becomes much less plausible. I think we can assume he knew how
>> >young they were.
>> >
>> >So if a girl too young to give sexual consent tries to do so, and an
>> >adult male repeatedly acts as if he believes that she is old enough
>to
>> >give consent, does her action get him off the hook?  I do not think
>so.
>> >And if this happens with girl after girl after girl after girl?
>> >Really?
>> >
>> >If you believe that statutory rape did occur, then what does
>presenting
>> >herself as willing have to do with it?  Why bring that up?  Legally
>> >speaking, she was raped, no matter what she said first.
>> >
>> >So how is Stallman not trying to excuse statutory rape by what he
>> >posted?
>> >
>> >Mary-Anne
>> >
>> >
>> >> On September 15, 2019 at 2:46 PM Michael Downey
><michael@downey.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have not read the commentary articles, nor do I intend to. I
>have,
>> >on the other hand, read the comments by the FSF President and Board
>> >member on the mailing list in question. They are entirely
>inappropriate
>> >comments for someone in his public position to be making.
>> >>
>> >> I spend my day job trying to convince large governments and NGO's
>of
>> >the value of free software. Once again they see the FSF leader
>behaving
>> >inappropriately and I have to make excuses for him and the
>organization
>> >that continues to provide him safe harbor, and explain that they
>don't
>> >represent the values of the free software movement.
>> >>
>> >> I'm exhausted of doing that. The board has had many opportunities
>to
>> >remove him from his role yet each time back down.
>> >>
>> >> As a single individual associate member, I can't do much. But I
>can
>> >(and have) revoked my 15+ year membership and am removing all
>> >references to the FSF in materials from my day job. We just can't be
>> >associated with that kind of public behavior any more.
>> >>
>> >> The letter I sent to the FSF follows. I'll be unsubscribing from
>this
>> >mailing list too, unfortunately, but encourage others to reconsider
>> >their support until the board acts in a way true to its public
>charter.
>> >For the sake of software freedom, I hope my absence is short-lived.
>> >>
>> >> - Michael
>> >>
>> >> FSF associate member #2352 (since 2004-05-20) here. I also
>accepted
>> >the Free Software Award for Projects of Social Benefit several years
>> >ago.
>> >>
>> >> It’s unfortunate to hear yet another incident about the FSF
>> >President’s unacceptable behavior in the news again.
>> >>
>> >> Despite all the good things this organization does, this continued
>> >behavior while holding the role makes it untenable for me to
>publicly
>> >support the FSF. And that’s a bad thing for software freedom.
>> >>
>> >> Software freedom is an important human right, but if one has to
>> >publicly trample others’ human rights in order to get there, one
>> >undermines one’s own cause.
>> >>
>> >> With his continued behavior over the years, Stallman has done
>damage
>> >to our movement that will take a very long time to repair. It’s time
>> >for him to step down and let the next generation lead this critical
>> >movement into the future.
>> >>
>> >> Should he be unwilling to do so, I note that based upon my review
>of
>> >the FSF bylaws, the Board has the power to remove the person in
>office
>> >of President with or without cause upon vote of the board. (Article
>VI,
>> >Section 7.)
>> >>
>> >> Until that time, I must regrettably cancel my associate
>membership.
>> >>
>> >> /s/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>brevity.
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