Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Doc O'Leary]

In article <mailman.9690.1387484378.10748.discuss-gnustep@gnu.org>,
 Ivan Vuãica <ivucica@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love to learn from people who were coding before I was born, but you're
> projecting more negativity than good plans, lessons, and new code.

I happen to think Computer Science should be scientific.  I don't need 
to plan and build a perpetual motion machine to know it is a bad idea.  
I'm not spreading "negativity" when I impose rigor to show it.  To me, 
science is one of the most positive, forward-thinking approaches you can 
take towards a better future.  The person projecting here is you, and 
I'm more than happy to call you on it.

> You weren't stopped from writing agentd. Was it a wasted effort?

Yes.

> I was telling you what to do only in a sense that I saw a lot of hostility
> and anger (while at the same time you claim everyone else is hostile).

Again, that's all on you.  All I've done is push for something better 
than Brownian Motion.  If you think that makes me the big jerk here, I 
encourage you to engage in some deep introspection.

> I
> get it, you want GNUstep to be more like OS X.

You don't get it at all, and the sooner you get *that*, the sooner 
you'll have a chance at real understanding.  The reality is that I'm 
increasingly dissatisfied with Mac OS X.  I actually think GNUstep would 
do well to move *off* of Apple's coat tails, but then I don't know that 
it would then remain "core" to the intent of the project.  What could 
lead to an interesting discussion has again been squashed by your 
presumptions.

> Would you care to join us at the meeting this year, wherever the meeting
> ends up being?

Give me a reason to believe it will be productive.
  
> Because as an experienced person you must realize that goals you are
> setting are too large. Attracting OS X and iOS developers is a good goal,
> but too large. Let's chop it up into pieces. Let's see what could be
> achieved by one motivated developer within next 3 months.

If you still think these problems are solvable by a developer, you've 
missed the boat.

> Then the person proposing the change should sit down and make it, because
> noone else will.

I'm not here to fight you.  If you want stagnation, I'll simply look 
elsewhere for meaningful change.

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