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Eli Zaretskii |
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Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) |
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Sun, 22 Dec 2024 14:25:08 +0200 |
> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
> Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, samologist@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, visuweshm@gmail.com, raman@google.com
> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:29:00 +0000
>
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > > I guess that Emacsspeak already provides some good defaults for blind,
> > > thanks to T.V. Raman's continuous dedication.
> > > But maybe we want things to be available in vanilla Emacs as well?
> >
> > It depends what "available" means. If it means having a package
> > that would install suitable different bindings and settings, it sounds
> > fine in principle -- but does Raman want to maintain them that way?
> > It might be a bigger change for him than for users of his work.
>
> No, I did not mean a package. I meant support and maintenance in Emacs
> core. IMHO, these features are too important for third-party package that
> might be abandoned.
>
> The initial input about alternative defaults may come from Raman,
> Samuel, or other interested users who had to customize Emacs in similar
> ways.
>
> > Not
> > > just for blind, but also settings with large font sizes.
> >
> > I have a feeling that the changes for large fonts would be totally
> > dissimilar to those for screen reading. I'm not an expert, though,
> > bu does anyone actually _know_ whether they have much in common?
>
> I do not think that they have much in common in terms of specific
> changes to Emacs defaults. What might be common is the way to enable
> accessibility defaults - I have specific API design in mind, but do not
> want to discuss it before I see how the general idea is received.
We do want to have accessibility features in Emacs, if that is what
you are asking. (In some cases we already do: e.g., see the
Windows-specific variable w32-use-visible-system-caret, which aims
specifically at aiding screen-reading software.)
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), (continued)
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Jonas Bernoulli, 2024/12/18
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Samuel Wales, 2024/12/18
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Samuel Wales, 2024/12/18
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/18
- Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Samuel Wales, 2024/12/18
- Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?), Jonas Bernoulli, 2024/12/18
- Internal variables and symbols in transient (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/19
- Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/19
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Richard Stallman, 2024/12/21
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/22
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)),
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- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/22
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/12/22
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- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/12/23
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/23
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- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/24
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users?, Björn Bidar, 2024/12/24
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users?, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/12/25
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users?, Eli Zaretskii, 2024/12/25
- Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)), John ff, 2024/12/29
Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark?, Suhail Singh, 2024/12/14