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RE: [Fle3-users] Why is it good to use FLE?

From: César Hernández Rosete
Subject: RE: [Fle3-users] Why is it good to use FLE?
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:38:59 -0700

Thank you, I believe that I am reaching good conclusions. I´m  also sorry
for my English that neither is good. I have only studied of a book of a
series of 3. :)

I like FLE and if I question it it is to have bases to be able to defend it.

Here we are 100 milliones. The eduación is gratuitous until the univeridad
(15 years), but studies demonstrate that those that study have a pomedio
that estuduaron less than 6 years.

I speak of LMS because it is the only tool that I have listened for

Sorry for the following question: Is FLE in construction of the knowledge
very similar to a list of mail?. rather it is as the historical of a list of
mail?, very similar to a discussion forum which comes included in a LMS.

Could they mention me who this using this tool?, this to generate a bigger
trust for their use.

Thank you.


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Teemu Leinonen
Enviado el: Miércoles, 06 de Agosto de 2003 09:19 a.m.
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Asunto: Re: [Fle3-users] Why is it good to use FLE?


I am sorry that my Spanish is not (yet) good enough to be usable in this
kind of email discussions. So, comments.

César Hernández Rosete wrote:
> But here in Mexico we have us a problem: The public institutions can only
> assist to the population's 10%.
> We have attempted with LMS, but without success, The Technologies of
> Information for support to the training are only used in 11% (with

I understand that the situation in Mexico is of course very different
compared to Finland. In Finland we have only 5 million people in all
(25% of the Mexico city?), everybody go to nine year public schools that
are pretty well equipped.

My opinion is that in Finland, the most successful experiments of using
information and communication technology in teaching and learning have
been in the field of computer supported collaborative learning. In some
levels of education we have tested some LMS tools, as well.

Why I think we do not need "traditional" LMS in Finland is the fact that
the critical question is not to provide quality learning materials for
schools, but rather to introduce new pedagogical models supported with
new technology. LMS that are mostly course material publishing systems
do not give any added value for Finnish schools who anyway have school
books, CD-Roms, educational TV and libraries close by. I am also pretty
sure that schools will not soon give up using books. The usability and
accessibility of a book is still unbeatable for many, many years.

I guess that in some schools of Mexico there are a real lack of quality
educational material, and you have thought that maybe with LMS you could
provide "better" courses for these schools.

So, I agree that LMS may offer wider access to learning materials. But
why you want to use LMS? Why not just Content Management System?

Also in many cases CD-Roms are much better delivery media for areas with
not that good internet connections. Some materials online that could be
easily printed locally to be paper books could also be a good idea. And
you really shouldn't forgot the old good TV, that is nowadays pretty
cheap, widespread and very impressive educational media (e.g. compare TV
to web pages!).

> we need LMS+"modern learning techniques". Technical of learning like
> Collaborative Learning. That is to say as FLE.

If we now focus only to online learning (Internet, WWW) my opinion is
that you need Content Management System (CMS) + Fle3 (for collaborative
learning). In the CMS you can have all the course materials available
everybody who is interested in to study them by themselves. For
organized courses, that are supervised, taught and tutored by a teacher
or tutor (if it more like a self organized study circle) you can use Fle3.

> I believe that LSM+FLE+"group Meetings in the classroom". This can improve
> the learning, the meetings could be more sporadic than the classes
> traditions and with this we would achieve: To improve the teaching and to
> take advantage of the educational spaces.
> What do yoy think of this?.

I agree with you. Instead of using any LMS I would use some Content
Management System and add Fle3 in there. It is also good to have some
classroom meeting once in a while. So. in your case there would be some
self study tasks with the content available in the Content Management
System and some collaborative learning both in a classroom and in Fle3.
Right? For me this sounds a good plan.

> What does LMS recommend me? That this it is GNU.

Of the Content Management Systems you could have a look of Plone
(http://www.plone.org). Plone runs in Zope (like Fle3). This makes it
possible to integrate them. Some people have already done this. Plone is
also Open Source.

> How does FLE behave with 100 users?  and with 3,000 users?

Probably the biggest installation of Fle3 is at the moment the one run
by the City of Helsinki, Department of Education. I think there is about
2500 users. It works OK. We do not have a lot of evidence of big
installations but what we know about the underlying technology, the Zope
application sever, it should be very robust and should scale pretty well
to large number of users.

Best regards,

        - Teemu

Teemu Leinonen
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Media Lab, UIAH Helsinki
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