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[gNewSense-users] Re: Rethinking Gobuntu

From: Chris Andrew
Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: Rethinking Gobuntu
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:14 +0100

Although I have had to hand-over the work I was doing co-ordinating
Freedom Verification (chris_debian), I think that Mark is making a
valid point.

We always need help at gNS, and unlike commercial entities, there is
no reason why we have to complete.  Let's just all work together.

Would any of the Gobuntu guys like to help out at gNS?

Many thanks,


On 15/04/2008, Mark Shuttleworth <address@hidden> wrote:
>  The "current and future" thread on this list has got me thinking. Perhaps
> we really are on the wrong track, that the only way to meet the needs of the
> gNewSense folks is to have completely different source packages to Ubuntu.
> If that is the case, then I think it would be better to channel the energy
> from Gobuntu into gNewSense.
>  I had hoped to see more participation and collaboration around Gobuntu
> because of the benefits of keeping up with the standard Ubuntu (regular
> releases, security updates etc). However, it seems that the audience for a
> platform like this is willing to accept infrequent releases and less
> maintenance in return for a platform which can be modified more radically.
> That's OK, it's just a bit unexpected - I thought we could get the best of
> both worlds, with six-monthly releases of something that excluded *binary
> package* that were controversial in the eyes of the FSF, but retained access
> to everything else in Ubuntu.
>  I don't mind having been wrong in that expectation, I can see the arguments
> in favour of less collaboration in the case where it is more important to be
> different than to have infrastructure in common, and from what I've seen on
> this list, the desire to be different (have different source packages as
> well as binary packages) is stronger than the desire to collaborate (share
> infrastructure, release cycles etc).
>  I'm not sure that the current level of activity in Gobuntu warrants the
> division of attention it creates, either for folks who are dedicated to
> Ubuntu primarily, or to folks who are interested in gNewSense. I would like
> us to have a good relationship with the gNewSense folks, because I do think
> that their values and views are important and I would like Ubuntu to be a
> useful starting point for them. But perhaps Gobuntu isn't the best way to
> achieve that.
>  So, I would like to hear from the gNewSense guys how they would like to be
> involved in Ubuntu, to help ensure that Ubuntu is a useful starting point
> for their important work. If Gobuntu is not the best way to achieve that,
> then I think we should stop working on it and encourage folks who want that
> to focus their efforts on gNewSense, while at the same time figuring out how
> Ubuntu can be more useful for gNewSense.
>  Mark
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