Re: GCC Framework support in Linux (fwd)

[Stefan Urbanek]

Hi gnustep developers,

Because I am not core gnustep developer, I am forwarding this email to this dev 
list for more skilled people that should know more about the issue. The reason 
for leaving the gcc list for now from this thread is, that i would like to 
suggest to discuss an interface 'we' - gnustep users, would like to have in GCC 
for frameworks before we let 'them' (GCC people) know about it. However, if you 
think that the thread should be interesting also to gcc lists, then crosspost 
it.

Pershaps we should begin with explicitly answering few, even some of them with 
obvious answers, questions:

1. What are the differences between GNUstep and Applie framework structure?
2. How to find a binary or headers in a framework?
3. What are the differences for standard framework locations in GNUstep and 
Apple?
4. How to specify frameworks and their locations? (-f -F)
5. How to tell gcc which GNUstep combo to use for searching executable? (if it 
is necessary at all)
6. ...

I think, by providing answers for such and similar questions we can came up 
with complete specification that we can offer to the gcc list to start 
discussion about incorporating/retaining framework support for non-osx 
environments. The seems to be already there, but it is not used out of osx.

I understand, that the issue is not as simple as it seems to be, however, we 
should at least try. So here I would like to ask core gnustep developers for a 
few words, if they have some time. (Unfortunately, Nicola is out of town at 
this time). Perhaps we should make it into gcc 3.4,  if we are lucky :)

Forwerded is the messge from Neil Booth (same as was seen on discuss-gnustep, 
where the discussion probably does not belong).

Best regards,

Stefan Urbanek

p.s.: if you really think that this thread can be shared with gcc list, then do 
share it. i was not sure.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 2003-08-09 23:23:55 +0200
From: Neil Booth <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: GCC Framework support in Linux

Stefan Urbanek wrote:-

> As I am not member of this list, so let me introduce a bit. I am a developer 
> creating frameworks and applications for the GNUstep project (www.gnustep.org).
>
> A friend of mine has pointed me to this message:
>
> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2003-08/msg00541.html
>
> I think that disabling framework support for linux is not a good idea. The 
> project GNUstep is free implementation variant of OpenStep - predcessor of OSX. 
> GNUstep has frameworks and they are almost the same as OSX frameworks. At this 
> time, GNUstep is using hacks like symlinks to shared libraries and headers to 
> be able to support frameworks. Note, that GNUstep is cross-platform environment.
>
> Because GNUstep is cross-platform environment, i would suggest not to restrict 
> framework support only for OSX. I am crossposting this to discuss-gnustep and 
> therefore I would like to open it to a discussion to find some way.

We don't intend to restrict it.  If you want it to become something
generic, then we need a complete and thorough description of how you
would like it to work.

Neil.


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