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Re: GRUB trusted boot framework
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Robert Millan |
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Re: GRUB trusted boot framework |
Date: |
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:42:26 +0100 |
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Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) |
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 02:27:25PM +0100, Jan Alsenz wrote:
>
> If we could agree on this, then I think we could find a way to extend the GRUB
> module system to fully allow this.
>
> From my point of view the minimal needed features for these systems are:
> - easy exchange of the MBR binary to be installed
> - easy exchange of the core.img loader binary
> - hooks for any disk read (not sure if write is necessary)
>
> (I didn't check if any of these is already implemented)
>
> Last part to agree on would then be, that these infrastructure features should
> be in the mainline code.
Hi,
The last stage is much simpler. Just put /boot/ in a crypted filesystem (we
have a patch liing around which is pending to merge).
That only leaves MBR and core.img. You can either check both from firmware
(does any BIOS allow this?) or do some funny gimmicks in MBR ;-)
> That way it would be easy to develop various trusted boot solutions (and
> probably some other systems too), but keep all the controversial code out of
> mainline.
I appreciate your interest in avoiding controversy. If you want that, then
please don't refer to this as "trusted". It is implied that all the code in
GRUB is already trusted by its user. The difference here is that our system
would be hardened against physical attack, it doesn't change anything about
who is able to "trust" your computer and who isn't.
--
Robert Millan
The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, (continued)
Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Vesa Jääskeläinen, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Vesa Jääskeläinen, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/22
- Re: GRUB trusted boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/23
Re: GRUB trusted boot framework,
Robert Millan <=
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Robert Millan, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Robert Millan, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, phcoder, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Robert Millan, 2009/02/27
- Re: GRUB hardened boot framework, Jan Alsenz, 2009/02/27