Re: additional functionality for html-helper-mode

[ken]

On 05/24/2017 03:27 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> ken <gebser@mousecar.com> writes:
>
> > > > Would it be possible to integrate that
> > > > functionality into html-helper-mode so that
> > > > chapters could be selectively collapsed or
> > > > expanded? For example, I might have: I use the
> > > > built-in `html-mode' for my primitive or
> > > > 90s-looking pages and as for editing I never had
> > > > any problems or felt the need to do code fold, but
> > > > some people who do HTML insist web-mode.el is much
> > > > better and there code folding is available
> > > > probably exactly as you describe it:
> > > > http://web-mode.org
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but I didn't want to have to
> > learn a new editor.
> A new editor? Sweet heaven, no! Here is what it says
> on the web site:
>
>      web-mode.el is an autonomous emacs major-mode for
>      editing web templates. HTML documents can embed
>      parts (CSS/JavaScript) and blocks (client/server
>      side).
>
> Does "autonomous" mean it is implemented as
> a standalone editor? What kind of "Emacs mode" is
> that?!

In a technical world disregarding the humans using software, I think you 
would be correct.  When I say it would be like a new editor, I mean that 
the keybindings for doing all the html coding in web-mode would likely 
be completely different from those in html-helper-mode... they 
definitely were in html-mode.  Imagine how many different html markups 
there are... idk, perhaps hundreds... I don't want to have to learn all 
new keybindings for another, different mode.  I've been using 
html-helper-mode for a long time, probably decades.  I'm fluent with its 
keybindings.  And I've created new functions within html-helper-mode and 
modified others which have yet other related keybindings.  Those have 
become fluent also.  That kind of fluency is part and parcel of the 
human factor, a view and an experience which purely technical 
considerations seem to be oblivious to.  To me, confronting hundreds of 
new keybindings (for things I already know how to do with my current 
setup) is tantamount to learning a new editor.  From your technical 
vantage point, however, I will readily admit you are correct.


> > Though it's off-topic, I would add that I use
> > html-helper-mode to edit quite sophisticated web
> > pages which aren't '90s-looking at all, but which
> > incorporate web 2.0 features and CSS
> Well, you are allowed to use CSS...
>
> > and columns, graphics, and much more. Of course
> > I wouldn't write an entire CMS with
> > html-helper-mode, but then I wouldn't attempt it in
> > any emacs mode; it would be much more sensible to
> > use Joomla, Wordpress or Drupal...
> ...but not that :)
Not long ago I applied for a passport and it specifically allows me to 
use Wordpress and Drupal.  :)