Re: [lp-ca-on] Starting phase #1

[Blaise Alleyne]

On 24/09/14 01:09 PM, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 24 2014, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
> 
>> On 23/09/14 10:15 PM, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
>> [...] Re: location, I'd suggest a bar in the Yonge/Eglinton area maybe over 
>> coffee
>> shop (since we had the coffee shop close on us this week).
> 
> I'll let this one for you guys to choose; I'm new in the area and don't
> know many places.
> 

Hmm, there's the Duke of Kent (Roehampton and Yonge), or a Fox and Firkin at 51
Eglinton Ave E that could work. The Duke of Kent would be closer to Rudolf, Fox
and Firkin would be closer to Red Hat and the direction I'd be coming in.

We could try one in October, one in November, and see which one we like better?
I'd suggest we try the Fox and Firkin first (I've only been there maybe once
before if at all!).


>> [...] We might need to compile a list of ally groups (which wouldn't be a 
>> bad idea
>> anyways), and note their usual monthly meeting times, to see if we could 
>> carve
>> some space for a unique LibrePlanet time.
> 
> Yep, that's a good idea.  Again, I think you could start the list, given
> your knowledge of this topic :-).
> 

I'll try and pull that together next week!


>>> In BR, our meetings were called "librebar", as a contrast
>>> to "open bar" (I don't know if you have "open bars" here; they're
>>> parties where you don't need to pay for drinks [the drinks as free as in
>>> price], so we wanted to make this little wordplay). 
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if it totally works in English. We do have the concept of an 
>> "open
>> bar," typically at a wedding or some kind of party. I didn't get the play on
>> words from "librebar" alone though.
> 
> Hm, OK.
> 
> The play is:
> 
> - Open bar's are parties where you don't have to pay for the drink
>   (thus, free as in price), which is somewhat related to the (lack of)
>   ideology of Open Source, where many "supporters" only value the "free
>   as in price", but not "as in freedom".
> 
> - LibreBar's, OTOH, are meetings to discuss Free Software (and
>   freedom!), but the drinks are not going to be free, so each person has
>   to pay for his/her own drink :-).
> 
> Sorry if it's not as funny as you were expecting :-P.
> 

haha, oh, well, I got the play on words before because you mentioned "open bar,"
but if you had *only* said "librebar", I would not have thought of the contrast
with an open bar -- it wasn't self-evident in English (to me), is all that I
meant. :)

The name LibreBar still works on it's own though. *shrugs*

>> [...] Is the hesitation with WordPress just software freedom issues, or also 
>> bloat,
>> MySQL, security issues, etc.?
> 
> Mainly about being too heavy.  I am a big fan of static HTML pages (ref:
> <http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/>), and I really think it helps more to
> pass our message than some fancy, heavy page...
> 

That website is a classic. :)



>> And, registering our own domain might be a good idea. How about 
>> libreplaneton.ca?
>>
>> (libreplanet.ca is also available... I wouldn't want to be presumptuous and
>> pretend to be all of Canada, but at the same time it could be a useful 
>> domain...
>> even if we just put a link to libreplaneton.ca from libreplanet.ca, and then 
>> to
>> any other Canadian LP groups, now or in the future?)
>>
>> I can register the domain name if you want. I use Hover.com as my domain name
>> registrar. But I don't mind if you are using another domain name registrar
>> already. (Not sure if they'll all allow you to register .ca though.)
> 
> <http://libreplaneton.ca> sounds perfect to me.  And I agree with not
> being presumptuous regarding the domain :-).  But it may also be a good
> idea to register libreplanet.ca, yeah.  That's *almost* what we did in
> BR: we wanted to register libreplanet.org.br, but in order to register
> .org.br domains you have to go through so many bureaucratic steps that
> we gave up the idea and registered libreplanetbr.org instead.  The idea
> is that this domain will act as a hub for all LibrePlanet's in Brazil,
> and we actually have a sp.libreplanetbr.org and a es.libreplanetbr.org,
> for both LibrePlanet's there (LibrePlanet ES was founded after SP, and
> it is inactive unfortunately).
> 

Makes sense to me.



> As for the registrar, I use Gandi for all my domains (except for
> libreplanetbr.org, which is on Dreamhost because of historical reasons).
> I have never heard of Hover.com, but what I try to do when I choose a
> registrar is to take a look at their position regarding some sensitive
> topics (mainly SOPA/PIPA).  This actually boils down to looking at the
> following list:
> 
>  
> <https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/moveyourdomain-protest-internet-blacklist-bills>
> 
> Which I still find very useful.  So yeah, if Hover has a decent stand on
> those matters, I'm OK with it!
> 

Hover is a division of Tucows. Tucows is a Toronto-based company. I use Hover
mainline for their customer service (valet domain transfers, human beings
available via phone during business hours, etc.), but Tucows participated in the
SOPA/PIPA blackout too:

http://www.tucows.com/article/2470

I do think Gandi does *more* to support free software though, e.g.
https://www.gandi.net/supports/

But Tucows is on the right side of these issues and I'm not sure that they do
anything obectionable.

Thoughts?


>> [...] Re: costs, I guess we get a quote and pool our money together for a 
>> first print run?
>>
>> How did you cover costs for these things with LP São Paulo?
> 
> Heh...  Free Software activism demands some "sacrifices", so I basically
> paid for everything (except for the VPS; for that, we collectively
> paid).
> 

Right.

Well, I wouldn't have a ton of money to pitch in, but I would want to contribute
-- I don't expect we'd be looking to spend that much overall anyways to get 
started.



I'm in agreement on everything else.

I guess next steps re: website would be...

- confirm the domain name registrar and get both libreplaneton.ca and 
libreplanet.ca
- set up the web host and SFTP access
- put together the single HTML page with some basic info to start

Then, next step re: Toronto team meeting:
- compile the list of ally groups in the city along with their meeting times
- set a date/time that works for the three of us in Toronto and doesn't conflict
with ally groups