Re: [lp-ca-on] Microblogs for Software Freedom Day

[Bob Jonkman]

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Blaise wrote:

> I don't think the GNU Social Twitterbridge does this, but it could 
> be nice if every Twitter post ended with a canonical link back to 
> the GNU Social post, POSSE style ( http://indiewebcamp.com/posse )

The sn.jonkman.ca StatusNet server (not yet GNUsocial) imposes no 140
character limit. If you ensure that the StatusNet message exceeds 140
characters then the Twitterbridge will truncate the message and append a
link to the StatusNet message.

>> a !LibrePlanetON group? [...]
> 
> My feeling is an account make sense in the future, though I'm not 
> sure if there would be enough to post about right now? *shrugs*

A !LibrePlanetON group is cheap and easy, useable by any account that
subscribes to it, and less effort to use than switching back&forth
from my own account to a @LibrePlanetON account. I can host this on
sn.jonkman.ca but it might look better on social.libreplanet.br


As far as the use of LibrePlanet Twitter accounts: Obviously I'm not
averse to using them through the Twitterbridge. I do find it a good
way of reaching those people who haven't discovered Free Software yet.
But  I hardly ever use Twitter by itself.  I'll swing either way -- if
the group wants to delete the Twitter account I'm OK with that.

- --Bob.


On 02/08/15 01:30 AM, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
> On 01/08/15 05:19 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
>> Hi Everyone: I've set up a couple of microblog accounts for 
>> Software Freedom Day Toronto. They're not directly associated
>> with LibrePlanet Ontario, but since it's the same people in both
>> groups the overlap is inevitable.
>> 
>> Twitter: @SFDToronto https://twitter.com/sfdtoronto Fediverse: 
>> @address@hidden http://sn.jonkman.ca/sfdtoronto
>> 
> 
> Thanks, Bob!
> 
> 
>> There is a one-way Twitterbridge -- anything posted to the 
>> Fediverse account should show up on the Twitter account, but not
>>  from Twitter to Fediverse.
>> 
>> 
>> I know there are some philosophical objections to using a 
>> proprietary silo like Twitter for Libreplanet business.  Let's 
>> discuss this on this mailing list, and we can decide how to 
>> proceed based on consensus.
>> 
> 
> 
> I'm not outright opposed to using an account on a proprietary 
> network that can be managed from a free software client (like 
> Twitter) as a sort of kiosk for reaching other people, *if* we 
> can...
> 
> (a) avoid scandal (in the Thomistic sense: a word or action that 
> becomes a moral cause of another's "sin");
> 
> (b) actually find real benefit in reaching people through this 
> medium who wouldn't be otherwise reachable through the web, email
> or GNU Social or other methods, or even *personal* Twitter
> accounts (rather than an official LP-CA-ON-run account), etc.
> 
> 
> I'm also not opposed to LibrePlanet adopting a policy against this,
>  if we think it would better suit our goals.
> 
> 
> Regarding avoiding scandal, I think that could depend heavily on
> the way in which Twitter was used, and there might be some things
> we could do to mitigate any falsely implied endorsement... e.g.
> 
> - Pin a message at the top of the account like the FSF does: 
> https://twitter.com/fsf
> 
> - Include a message on the cover banner, like my attempt on my 
> personal Facebook account to encourage people to contact me 
> *elsewhere* (my cover photo just says "Find me *off* Facebook // 
> blaise.ca/contact" )
> 
> - Keep our presence minimal, e.g. just using the GNU Social 
> Twitterbridge so that copies of messages or posted for Twitter uses
>  to see
> 
> - To be careful not to promote Twitter accounts, or not to give it
>  equal promotion (e.g. if we're plugging something at the end of a
>  presentation, "Find us on GNU Social at ..." with no equal
> airtime to Twitter, but if people ask we could say "We have a
> minimal presence on Twitter as well to reach users who haven't
> switched to a libre network service yet")
> 
> - I don't think the GNU Social Twitterbridge does this, but it
> could be nice if every Twitter post ended with a canonical link
> back to the GNU Social post, POSSE style (
> http://indiewebcamp.com/posse )
> 
> 
> I just think... if we can use Twitter without directly using 
> proprietary software, it's not inherently wrong (even if it may be
>  unwise). But it might not be unwise if our goal is not just to 
> preach to the converted, but to actually reach people who are
> *new* to free software -- as long as we can reach them through a
> service like Twitter in a way that doesn't undermine our call to
> avoid services like Twitter.
> 
> That is... the presence on Twitter has to have a "come join us on a
>  free network" feel, as opposed to a "hey, isn't it fun here?"
> kind of feel...
> 
> 
> That said, I'm open to adopting a policy against using Twitter or 
> other proprietary services as a group if we think it's unwise.
> 
> 
>> I'm also open to moving the SFDToronto Fediverse account to
>> another server.  As sysadmin for jonkman.ca I know how fragile
>> and bandwidth-challenged my servers are.  But they're
>> Free-as-in-Gratis (and FAIF too!), so there's that.
>> 
> 
> Thanks for offering your servers, Bob! Makes sense to me, certainly
>  for now, if you're okay with it.
> 
> 
>> I don't believe there are any microblog accounts for LibrePlanet
>>  Ontario specifically. Is a @LibrePlanetON account necessary, or
>> a !LibrePlanetON group? (or a LibrePlanetON.ca server!)
>> 
> 
> My feeling is an account make sense in the future, though I'm not 
> sure if there would be enough to post about right now? *shrugs*
> 
> Sergio had discussed hosting a server before, as LibrePlanet BR
> runs a GNU Social instance: http://social.libreplanetbr.org/
> 
> 
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