Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

[Dr. Tom McKellips]

My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals. Can
we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free software
and move the debate somewhere else?

Thank you

On 9/16/19 5:12 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 9:12 PM
> <libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
>
>> willing."   Two two statements are, again, very different.  Ongweso
>> Jr.'s false paraphrase is about whether the young woman was willing.
>> Stallman's is about how, under the circumstances, the young woman might
>> have appeared to Minsky to be willing, for example if she were directed
>> to conceal the coercion.
> i wrote this on slashdot when the issue came up.
> https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14792004&cid=59195030
>
> the important thing to understand here is the context in which this is
> all occurring: spycraft *specifically* designed to manipulate and
> extort.  these are people *specifically* trained and given resources,
> real-time information and finance to *specifically* corrupt people
> based on embarrassment, entrapment, blackmail, fear, threats, and
> anything and absolutely everything that is *the* absolute worst
> aspects of human behaviour.
>
> to be "outraged" or even to be emotionally disturbed by these
> incidents *plays directly into their hands*.
>
> just as happened with the removal of applebaum from TOR.  nobody
> except for people such as myself, who has had reverse-engineering
> training and exposure to spycraft, even NOTICED the suspicious and
> manipulative behaviour which resulted in the Board of Directors behind
> TOR being compromised and taken over by people with links to U.S.
> Intelligence Services!
>
> and i can't even really talk about that publicly *because nobody would
> believe me*.
>
> in this case however it is extremely well-known that Epstein had links
> to Intelligence Services, so i can (finally) speak up.
>
> please *do not* play into the hands of the extortionists.  it is
> *exactly* what they want.
>
> l.
>
>
> ----
>
> Epstein was specifically engaging in the practice of blackmailing high
> profile individuals for the purposes of extortion.
>
> He had *specific* training by Intelligence Services on *precisely* how
> to threaten women to get them to do what he wanted, and would also
> have received similar training on psychological profiling, as well as
> ACTIVE SURVEILLANCE dossiers in order to "use" those women as weapons
> against the selectively targetted influential individuals.
>
> Unfortunately, if you leave out that context, it is easy to see how
> people can become emotionally traumatised by even attempting to
> discuss or analyse this situation.
>
> They genuinely believe that this is just some sort of "normal" dirty
> situation (some sort of seedy club where it is "fun") whereas in fact
> both the "victims" (the women) were targetted *and the men* were
> premeditatively targetted as well, for the extortion opportunities
> that their transgressions would enable.
>
> *this is just how spycraft works*. it has been this way for centuries.
>
> The unfortunate thing here is that Dr Stallman, like many people on
> the autistic spectrum, operate in a much more "objective" fashion with
> very delayed or entirely absent emotional reactions and "connection"
> to people.
>
>   I assume for example that people can handle the truth, objectively,
> because to "lie to yourself" is so anathemic and so wasteful of time
> and energy, that I do not want to even spend the time and resources
> *modelling* someone else's internal lying!
>
> the reality is that often they simply cannot handle the truth,
> particularly when the situation falls so far outside of their social
> "norms" that they will do almost anything to make the discrepancy
> between reality and their expectations go away.
>
> I will not say more, other than that if you are the kind of person who
> prays for people affected by this, please do so, and if you are not,
> simply relax, and rather than be upset or outraged or angered towards
> anyone - *anyone* at all in this entire mess, to simply wish them
> well, and to then move on with your own life.
>
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Dr. Tom McKellips, RODC

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