Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Apologies

['smee]

Adrienne, I feel it's a fine line here as you make good points that i
try to keep in mind as well.

In this case, the catalyst for my apology was that Aaron emailed me off
list and made accurate insights into my replies (that Deb was acting in
bad faith, as I did assume that). Aaron only shared his experiences
with Deb and encouraged me to, basically be more diplomatic, which is
an area that I actually am working on.

I still think this campaign against RMS was coordinated (call me a
conspiracy nut) and that they are accomplishing some of their goals
right now. 

I won't likely censor myself too much but I will listen when someone
brings up a mistake I've possibly made, and I'll self reflect, and I'll
continue learning from people who are able to do things better than I
feel I can do them.

Thanks Adrienne for sticking up for free speech.


On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 11:08 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> Adrienne, that's a valid concern. People shouldn't be walking on
> eggshells. However, that's a misreading of the case here. This is
> more
> like 'Smee realizing on self-reflection that they actually *were*
> making
> assumptions and not being as considerate as they wish to be. I don't
> think this apology was an insincere fear-based one but one in which
> it's
> a modeling of holding oneself to a high standard.
> 
> Again, you're right in that we live in a context where *reasonable*
> discourse gets grotesquely misrepresented and then people self-censor
> out of fear. That is a totally valid problem, and we should not
> accept
> it as okay.
> 
> At the same time, we should work to treat everyone with some
> benefit-of-the-doubt and compassion. And there's nothing wrong with
> apologizing for not living up to that standard, even if someone's
> worst
> was *still* better than many people's normal.
> 
> If I write something from a defensive, reactionary mindset, I would
> hope
> to recognize it and apologize if I failed to check myself before
> sending
> it. That's independent from the fact that my emotional reactionary
> writing might still be more respectful than most people's non-
> emotional
> postings.
> 
> 
> On 2019-09-24 10:56 a.m., Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
> >    Gee 'Smee:
> >    Things are getting a little out of hand. So now guys can't have
> >    reasonable arguments with women without feeling like they're
> > being
> >    "combative"? Are you afraid someone might call you "sexist"?
> >    I didn't see where you said anything objectionable or
> > "combative".
> >    Adrienne
> >    On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:43 PM 'smee via libreplanet-discuss
> >    <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
> > 
> >      I was combative in my language with Deb earlier and would like
> > to
> >      apologize and say I'll do better in the future.
> >      I assumed bad intentions and acted out of irritation. I'll do
> > better
> >      in
> >      the future to consider that there are real people with real
> > concerns
> >      and try not to be combative.
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