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Re: People calling the GPLs 'evil licenses' - action plan?
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Jim Garrett |
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Re: People calling the GPLs 'evil licenses' - action plan? |
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Wed, 18 May 2022 16:26:17 +0000 |
Just a thought about rhetorical approach and wording: the phrase
"proprietary fork" could be useful. Also, center the viewpoint of
prospective contributors.
"A permissive license allows software companies or other entities to
make a proprietary fork of a project. This means someone (Developer A)
could generously contribute code, then Microsoft (say) could take the
project, add their own enhancements, and release a competing version.
Developer A contributed expecting she would benefit from others'
contributions, yet she is walled off from Microsoft's contributions.
She's being played, basically. We want to choose a license that
encourages participation, and we think guaranteeing access to future
contributions without the possibility of a proprietary fork best serves
that.
"It's obvious why proprietary software companies prefer that projects
use permissive licenses, but when picking a license, I'm not
particularly concerned with what Google, Microsoft, or Apple prefer, or
what best integrates with their software stack."
I add this second bit because I think there's "word on the street" that
permissive licenses are more popular and preferred by more, um,
entities. But this is like gossip ("people are saying... "). Trace this
to origin and I think we would find a few big players loudly and
consistently slandering strong licenses.
Jim Garrett
On May 17, 2022 10:15:15 PM EDT, Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net>
wrote:
FWIW, as a link anyone can use, I put together this some years ago, aiming to be
fair and neutral enough while advocating copyleft:
[1]https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/licenses
That's probably the ideal link to share in this case IMHO
On May 17, 2022 2:27:30 PM PDT, Dennis Payne <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote
:
Having one person consider GPL an evil license isn't a big deal. I
wouldn't waste a lot of time trying to convert him. Nor would I send
them a link to long essay explaining the situation. wolftune's
argument
is the simplest. However since you already sent him an offensive
article, I doubt any argument will have much effect at this point.
On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 23:52 +0800, andrew via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:
Andrew Would
[2]https://git.andrewyu.org/pygame-multiplayer/ suffice to
indicate extending an existing Expat (MIT) project into a project
based on the original work but licensed under the (A)GPL?
Andrew ugh, forgot to place the agpl in it
ChrisWarrick ask a lawyer
ChrisWarrick (and consider a less evil license)
Andrew Not asking for legal advice, just general practice
Andrew And I don't consider the GPLs to be evil, I use them for
bigger projects while I use public domain (unlicense) for smaller
ones
ChrisWarrick licenses are legal stuff, so you are asking for
legal
advice
Andrew asking stuff like 'does the US have any laws' is legal but
isn't asking for legal advice imo
ChrisWarrick your question is “am I interpeting and using the
license correctly”
Andrew i guess
Andrew and why do you think the gpl is evil?
ChrisWarrick GPL, and especially AGPL, makes your code less free
than MIT/BSD
nedbat Andrew: this is a classic debate
Andrew ChrisWarrick: PM me, thanks
Andrew because I want to prevent people from proprietizing it
ChrisWarrick but at the same time, you’re benefitting from
Brandon
Nguyen’s work
Andrew yes
ChrisWarrick but he isn’t able to benefit from yours
Andrew they could use the AGPL/GPL, and they could ask me for an
exception
Andrew the greater danger is people taking expat code and
proprietizing it, hindering free use altogether
ChrisWarrick what is wrong with proprietary use though?
Andrew i'll get back to you with an article tomorrow, thanks on
your
thoughts
Andrew meanwhile,
[3]https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/why-i-use-the-gpl-and-not-cuck-lic
enses
explains part of it
Andrew dont agree to all of it, i see a lot of use of permissive
licenses, but not for the project working on now
ChrisWarrick do you have a less offensive article?
Andrew I'm working on that
ChrisWarrick okay
I hope this is clear enough on what I need ... well, how do I
explain
the GPL to them?
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References
1. https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/licenses
2. https://git.andrewyu.org/pygame-multiplayer/
3. https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/why-i-use-the-gpl-and-not-cuck-licenses
4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss