Re: [Pan-users] Pan-users Digest, Vol 186, Issue 2

[Dieter Britz]

Thank you Duncan for your extensive reply. Sorry about the typo,
I usually check what I have written but this slipped past me. It
should of course have been "type".

My first problem is the opposite to the one you have had; i.e. I
don't see my own posting on the other machine. But thanks for
the suggestion, will check that setting (if any).

As for the other problem, I use news.eternal-september.org on
both machines, so there should be the same behaviour on both.

I might try uninstalling pan again, wiping .pan2/ and re-installing
it.

Regards
Dieter

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> Dieter Britz posted on Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:12:33 +0200 as excerpted:
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>> I have two computers on which I have installed pan, one at work, Ubuntu
>> 1604 and one at home, Kubuntu 18.04. After I install pan I then trpy in
>> the newsgroups I want to subscribe to, and subscribe.
>
> Trpy?  That's one "trippy" typo!  You lost me.  Here's hoping it's not
> critical to the below...
>
>> One problem is with alt.os.linux.ubuntu. It works on both machines but a
>> posting to it from one machine does not appear on the other.
>
> This sounds similar but not identical to a problem I had at one point,
> where I was seeing only my own posts.  Turns out that for some reason I
> had toggled the show only my own posts option under View > Header Pane,
> did what I wanted to do, then forgot about it and quit pan with the
> option still enabled... so naturally when I restarted pan I could update
> headers all I wanted and all I could see was my own posts!
>
> I felt rather stupid after figuring /that/ one out, for sure! [g]
>
> So check the sanity of the settings in view, header pane.
>
> Also, do you have any scores that might be inadvertently affecting things?
>
> And when you update headers, do any errors show up (the icon at the
> bottom right turns red, click it for the log or view it using the event
> log option on the file menu)?
>
> And... I've been assuming you use the same news server at both work and
> home.  If you're using different news servers, perhaps they don't have a
> good peering path between them, or one may even be black-holing the other
> (basically server politics, one server violates rules the other wants to
> enforce, maybe it carries lots of spammers, so the other bans all posts
> from it, or it could be that one is small and the bigger, more connected
> one, wants money to peer...), so you post to one and it never gets to the
> other server.
>
>> Another problem I have here at home is that some ngs work OK,
>> but others, which work at work, do not. E.g. dk.kultur.sprog; It shows
>> in a pale font, and every time I click on it, I am asked to get the new
>> headers, but when I do, I do not get any postings.
>> But other ngs work. What is special about these ngs that show pale?
>
> I'm not sure about the color as I long ago customized mine, but typically
> not getting headers at all could be one of two things, both much more
> likely if you're running different servers on each and tried to copy some
> of the per-server data from one pan install to the other, tho they could
> happen for other reasons as well:
>
> 1) Perhaps the configured server doesn't carry that group at all?
> (Starting with a clean server config should fix this.)
>
> 2) Each server numbers messages in each group sequentially (tho not all
> numbers need appear, some may be assigned numbers then deleted as spam or
> canceled, etc.), and clients including pan typically track what messages
> they've already seen using these sequential numbers.
>
> But different servers will have different number sequences, and
> occasionally a server will reset numbering on its own (due to a database
> change or reset, etc), so you can't use the read-message tracking for one
> server on a different one.  If the new server is ahead of the old one,
> say it has todays posts as 1000-1010 while the old one pan was tracking
> had number 500 as the latest, nothing appears wrong except you might see
> a few messages over again.
>
> But if the new server has lower numbers, then pan thinks it has seen thru
> say 1010, but the new server is only up to say 500, so pan thinks it has
> seen everything in that group already and doesn't download anything.
>
> To fix this, find the corresponding newsrc file (should be in ~/.pan2/
> but if you have multiple servers configured you'll have several newsrc
> files, one for each server, and you'll need to figure out which one goes
> to which server, probably by using the info in servers.xml), open it in a
> text editor (with pan closed, of course, and as always, making a backup
> of the file first in case you screw things up and need to restore the
> unedited copy is a good idea), then find the line listing the newsgroup
> in question, and delete the numbers beside it.  Save the file, reopen
> pan, and it should now have forgotten which articles it thought it had
> already read for that group and server.
>
>
> There's also a bug of some sort that I've seen at least on the gmane
> mail2news server, where cross-posts between groups interfere with one
> group getting messages.  I've never traced that one down, unfortunately,
> but I've seen a couple clues in the gmane.discuss group suggesting it
> might actually be specific to gmane and either the list2news service they
> run or the server software they run.  But because I've never traced it
> down I don't know that for sure...  So all I can do is mention it, and
> hope you're not seeing it too (and if I'm lucky, someone else reading
> this will have seen it too, on gmane or elsewhere, and know more about it
> than I do, and if we're /really/ lucky, with note from everyone and some
> devs reading too, maybe we'll get a patch to test as a fix!).
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