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Re: [Swarm-Modelling] GEPR on life-cycle requirements


From: Daniel Calhoun
Subject: Re: [Swarm-Modelling] GEPR on life-cycle requirements
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:19:11 -0800

No, that is the job: to build a model universe to include some processes of which speciation and ethnogenesis could be taken as instructive instances. The task is daunting (otherwise somebody would already have done it). If it is assumed that a programming language (or system of libraries) constitutes such a model in itself , then I would like to see this demonstrated. If so, I will be suitably impressed.

Concretely: the modelling of locational and predational phenomena is a trivial exercise, however picturesque. But I want to see a model (or the tools for creating a model) that can be projected into serioius non-abstract discourse with an ethnogenesis study like John H. Moore's "The Cheyenne Nation."

Yes, this is an outrageous demand.


----- Original Message ----- From: "glen e. p. ropella" <address@hidden>
To: "Agent-based modeling" <address@hidden>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Swarm-Modelling] GEPR on life-cycle requirements


Daniel Calhoun wrote:
I speak as someone who worked with both Swarm and Repast, several years
ago, to do ethnohistorical models of trade and band-survival patterns in
a plains-like environment.  To make this increasingly interesting would
have required modelling something like speciation or ethnogenesis.  John
Holland never really produced this.  For that reason, the rhetoric of
GEPR's analogies is enticing.  It actually hints at producing emergent
species that are not encompassed by (that is, in the ugly word, "built
in by") a naive pre-specification of the outcome.  Like a novel species
among the fish in a modelled stream.

Perhaps a more careful analogy would keep things within bounds.

It might.  What bounds are you talking about?  My goal with this
discussion is to establish the requirements in and around ontogeny or
evolution (not necessarily biological)   So, it would be a very good
thing to proscribe the domain, showing where the practical boundaries are.

Can you provide a more careful analogy?

--
glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. --
Bertrand Russell
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