Re: [linuxiran] Crossover Office Wanted!

[Aryan Ameri]

On Saturday 22 November 2003 00:45, Arash Partow wrote:
> Aryan rather than just blabbling on about nothing and just typing
> away... try and think before you write:
>
> please go here:  http://www.winehq.com/site/license
>
>  oh and also read my signature :D


OK a bit of history, cause it seems you are not familiar with wine at 
all.

Wine was under a BSD license, untill feburary 2002. Then (with a vote 
between the developers) they changed the license to Lesser GPL (LGPL), 
because they thought there were people and companies (namely Corel) 
which were thinking of hijacking wine. So they changed it to LGPL, 
which means you can't hijack the code, but still, you can make 
proprietary linkings, and can make a proprietary product on top of the 
LGPL code. All you have to do is make the changes you have done to the 
LGPL code, under LGPL, but you can publish your own product (which is 
linked with LGPL code) under any license (i.e proprietary)

Read 

http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2002/02/0089.html

> __________________________________________________
> Be one who knows what they don't know,
> Instead of being one who knows not what they don't know,
> Thinking they know everything about all things.
> http://www.partow.net
>


Yeah, say what ever you want. I have been a member of many wine mailing 
lists (including wine-license), for nearly 2 years. I guess I know what 
I am talking about
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aryan Ameri" <address@hidden>
> To: "GNU/Linux in Iran" <address@hidden>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [linuxiran] Crossover Office Wanted!
>
>
> Sorry for top posting, but I am replying to many post, not just the
> one below.
>
> With all due respect for everyone, I have to say that it seems
> everybody got their facts wrong here. I don't know where Arash got
> the impression
>
> that :
> > company codeweaver made the initial
> > version of wine and then branched it and gpl'ed that
> > branch,
>
> Because it is completely 100% wrong.
>
> First of all, Code Weaver can make a proprietary version of Wine,
> because Wine is licensed under a BSD-like license. It would have been
> nice if one of you guys, all asuming that Wine is GPLed, would have
> checked wine's website, before debating "how code weavers can release
> a non-free product based upon open source code".
>
> Here is a bit of a lesson guys:
>
> we have two kinds sof Open Source licenses. Copyleft (i.e GPL) and
> not copyleft (ie MIT license and BSD license). The difference is that
> a copyleft license, only gives you the right to publish your
> derivative work, if you also publish it under the same license as the
> original license. LGPL, GPL, QPL (Qt Public License) are all copyleft
> licenses. You can't make a proprietary version of a product, based
> upon these versions; everything, based on them, should also have the
> same license.
>
> On the other hand, we have non-Copyleft license, like the license of
> Xfree86, the license of Apache, the MIT license the BSD license, and
> so on. These licenses simply give you the right to do anything with
> the code. You can make a modifid version of these code, and publish
> it under any circumstance you like. Some of these license (the old
> BSD) required derivative work to at least give credit to original
> developers. Most of them however (including the new BSD, and MIT
> licenses) do not even require you to give credits. So basicaly, they
> give you the right to hijack their code. It's up to you, to do
> whatever you want wih them, you can open source your modified code,
> or you can release it as completely proprietary.
>
> So, even me and my dog, can download a version of wine, change it's
> name to Wine-Dog, and sell it to you for $2000 without ever giving
> you any code. However, if you like to buy that thing, then I also
> have a bridg, which you might be interested in...
>
> And this is how, Microsoft can legaly rip the TCP/IP stack of Free
> BSD, and use it in windows 2000/Xp, without ever telling it to
> anyone.
>
> Also of note, Code weavers did not initialy make Wine. The wine
> project was started in 1992, way before there ever was a company
> called code weavers. In 1999, this code weavers company came, and
> hired many Wine developers, and a couple of years later, they made a
> proprietary version of Wine, and called in Cross Over Office. This
> code wevaers is actualy a very nice company, they sometimes give back
> their
> contributions to the Wine project, and open source some of their code
> (even though they do not have to), and basicaly, they do a very good
> job of supporting wine, financialy. However, there are other
> companies, which are making wine based products. For example, there
> is this company called TransGaming, which develops WineX, which lets
> users play many Windows games (they released a new version of WineX
> today). but transgaming unlike Code weavers, does not give any of
> it's code as open course, and does not support the wine project. It's
> their choice.
>
> So, the situation, is as far as it can be, from
> OpenOffice/StarOffice.
>
> And about GPL and this you can't take it back stuff, it is not about
> just GPL, it applies to any copyright license. Once you give someone
> some rights, then you can't take them back. period. For example, once
> you release a program under GPL, then, that version of the program
> will be under GPL for ever. However, YOU can make future versions of
> your program, under any license you want, because YOU are the
> copyright owner. But, if someone else decides to modify your GPL
> program, then they should release the modifications under the same
> terms (GPL).
>
> This actualy ahappend a couple of months ago. The founder of Nullsoft
> (the creator of Winamp) made a software for distributed p2p, or
> something like that (I forgot the name now) and released the software
> under GPL. 4 days later AOL (parent company of Nullsoft) decided that
> they didn't like releaseing that program under GPL, and removed it
> from their web site. But it was no use, there were already mirros of
> the program all over the net, and AOL could do nothing about it.
>
> But if you release your program under a non-copyleft license, then I
> can do anything with it, I might even improve it, and not give my
> improvements to you.
>
> This also has happened. The early versions of Emacs  which run on ITS
> operating system were given "free as it is, do what ever you want
> with them". Then RMS decided to port Emacs to Unix, and saw that a
> respected scholar in the university of Berekely has already ported
> Emacs to Unix. He decided not to reinvent the wheel, and use his
> code. He asked for his code, and the guy didn't give him his code.
> That was when RMS decided to create the GPL, with it's copyleft
> concept.
>
>
> Ah! and again, I am writing this long. Didn't someone tell me to not
> bother with writing these long useless emails, and instead focus on
> th more important stuf? Yeah, well, the answer to that friend is: you
> see, I can't. Once I start writing, then it goes on. It is actualy
> the same in my speaing, once I start speaking, I can't stop it!
>
> Cheers everyone
>
> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 16:18, Arash Partow wrote:
> > because the company codeweaver made the initial
> > version of wine and then branched it and gpl'ed that
> > branch, they have copyright over the original work
> > and derivative works excluding wine and any other
> > s/w they have gpl'ed which has been worked on after
> > they gpl'ed.
> >
> > However they have to right to withdraw their "own"
> > gpl'ed at anytime.
> >
> > its the same issue with staroffice and openoffice.
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Be one who knows what they don't know,
> > Instead of being one who knows not what they don't know,
> > Thinking they know everything about all things.
> > http://www.partow.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Faridb" <address@hidden>
> > To: "GNU/Linux in Iran" <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [linuxiran] Crossover Office Wanted!
> >
> > > --- Zoup <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > crossover is not free ;)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > It's a poor workman who blames his tools.
> > >
> > > I know itÅ> not free dude!
> > > But I need it so badly to convince some of my
> > > windoze-lover friends to migrate to this little cool
> > > ...
> > > I couldn´t find it neither in p2p nor any other
> > > place!( maybe I didn´t search enough though!)
> > > But there must a linux software center in Tehran( at
> > > least I hope so)
> > >
> > > By the way if it´s been derived from Wine , how come
> > > it´s not open source?(correct me if I´m wrong)
> > >
> > >
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Aryan Ameri