Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28

[Ergus]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:15:40AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>   >   >   Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing
>   >   >   some colors.
>   >   >
>   >   >What kind of changes to colors was that?  It would be good to quantify
>   >   >what "modern" means.
>   >
>   >   In general this is very subjective. But looking at WinXP vs Win10 one
>   >   gets more or less where the style feeling is moving to. Specially the
>   >   colors and the default fonts in the interfaces make a big difference;
>   >   but also the whole integration.
>   >
>   >Could you list those changes?
>
>   1) The "included" themes (not only the default one) are a bit more
>   "attractive" and similar to the ones in VSCode, Sublime or Android
>   Studio:
>
>   https://themegallery.robdor.com/
>
> That lists several hundreds of themes.  Can you summarize _what_
> changes where done to make Emacs look more modern?  A list of maybe
> 3-5 things would give a good idea.  For example, one concrete change
> is to replace a warning face that is bright yellow with a dark yellow.
If you change a single face it doesn't improve anything. The whole thing
is the important. The overall result after all the changes. A light
toolbar looks worst with a dark background as well; big icons looks
terrible with small fonts.

>   2) In the windows side they just made the whole colors a bit more
>   "coherent" with the internal themes,
>
> What does that mean? What changes did they (who is they?) do exactly?
If you change the background but not the borders, the icons the
font-lock faces, modeline and so on; a single change conflicts with the
others. I am not designer to quantify that with designer words.

>   2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font
>   (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is
>   pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal
>   emulators or desktop environments).
>
>
>   2.2) In the case where they keep the tool-bar the icons are smaller and
>   more "attractive". Lets say sometimes independent of the theme, but in
>   general smaller.
>
> How are the more attractive?  The list you provided doesn't show a
> single tool-bar.
>
>   3) Finally they fully redesigned the mode-line. I don't like all the
>   changes they did because they require many extra external packages that
>   increase too much the loading time and I prefer to load my emacs in less
>   than 1 sec. But form the aestetic point of view it is an important
>   change.
>
> In what way have the "fully redesigned the mode-line"? The link you
> provided has no mode-lines.
https://github.com/jonathanchu/emacs-powerline
https://github.com/TheBB/spaceline
https://github.com/domtronn/spaceline-all-the-icons.el
https://seagle0128.github.io/doom-modeline
https://www.spacemacs.org/ (there are pictures)

> Please be specific, give examples -- "it is more attractive" without
> explicilty saying what "it" is makes for a long discussion.