Re: Changes for emacs 28

[Arthur Miller]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> On 11.09.2020 14:00, Arthur Miller wrote:
>> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>> 
>>> On 11.09.2020 00:21, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most likely 
>>>> happen
>>>> is that they will never agree to do this.  Menus are not "modern".
>>>
>>> That's certainly the current trend in Emacs customizations, but it's not a
>>> universal rule.
>>>
>>> VS Code has a traditional menu. Atom has a menu. Visual Studio and IntelliJ 
>>> IDEA
>>> of course have them too.
>> When I used to make money by programming VBA with MS Office and C++ with
>> VStudio I used to turn off all toolbars and menus I could. Back then
>> computer screens where much smaller then today, and even today I still
>> fight for vertical screen estate on my computer.
>
> I do too. But menus should be helpful for newcomers (and when they are not, we
> should improve them). So having "starter kits" disable the menus right away
> seems counter-productive.
Yeah I agree; I got it clarified you ment starter kits when you thought
about "distros".

> BTW, the Unity DE and Sublime Text editor included an alternative UI for 
> menus,
> where you hit a key (Alt, in the case of Unity) and then fuzzy match on 
> command
> description.
Ok; I didn't know. I am using Rofi to achieve this in X11/OS and Helm in
Emacs.

>> For that reason, on my home computer I run a WM without decorations, Emacs
>> without any gui elements more then main gui window, Firefox & Gimp with
>> menus and gui hidden etc. I have never used IntellliJ software, but I
>> guess they will give you option to maximize the working area by
>> disabling the gui items too.
>> Anyway, I don't think GUI should be disabled by default; that should be left
>> to
>> the user. I am really curious which distro you run :-)?
>
> I use Ubuntu with GNOME and the Unite extension which emulates Unity to the 
> best
> extent possible. That means removing application title bars when the app is
> maximized, moving their contents (such as menus) to the top panel when 
> possible.
>
> So it's the kind of changes as you did, but to a smaller extent.
I understand; yes it sounds pretty much what I except the top-level bar.
Last time I logged into a Gnome or KDE session was like 4 years agoI
think. Thanks for the answer.