Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....

[Chris Andrew]

Justin,

Thanks for those words.  With regard to PFV being a bottleneck, I'm
not suggesting that things can't move forward without us getting
everything checked, I'm just saying that unless we have a distro that
has checked software, then the best we can say is _Well it's sort of
free_.

What I mean is that it would be silly to rush out another release,
without having a good go at the PFV stuff.  Developer time as you
correctly stated, is a commodity.

>From a personal perspective, I'd like gNS to be released regularly,
because I like new (but stable) software, as much as anyone.  Lee and
I are doing the best we can to progress the PFV work, and we have a
good following that are pushing forward.  gNS is in good shape at the
moment, and we seem a happy bunch.  That's good :-).

I won't say any more on this, otherwise the list will end up like Gobuntu's.

Bottom-line:  Keep-up the good work, everyone.  We are heading in the
right direction, and seem to have some firm guidelines to work to.

Cheers,

Chris.

On 16/10/2007, Justin Baugh <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that people
> > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been "what we
> > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't use
> > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to
> > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more into
> > line with that ideal.
> > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the
> > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will help
> > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that goal.
> > Mark
> >
> > EXCUSE ME?!
> >
> > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make Gobuntu
> > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?!
>
> You missed his point entirely.
>
> What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, there
> are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something they
> want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list
> (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature
> that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of
> something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a sidenote,
> I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release
> is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available
> developer time).
>
> He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful.
> And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to
> discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to
> just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to
> shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally
> free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is worth
> ten thousand words.
>
> I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than happy
> to entertain a discussion of why it is, however.
>
> -Justin
>
>
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