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Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....

From: Kevin Dean
Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:39:16 -0400

I have to say that I disagree with Mark almost 100%. Yes, it's a
-devel list, but frankly the idea of "You can only help the distro if
you submit patches" is kind of stupid, I think. Once again it proves
why I consider gNewSense to be a superior system - you've got people
who have the programming skill of a poddle checking the copyrights,
raising bugs and making gNewSense more freedom respecting.

Old school Debian, which Mark is familiar with, put a lot of emphasis
on "Developers" (which is what -devel) means. It wasn't until the
recent Project Leaders did "Developer" mean "Art Team" and
"Documentation Team".

Development is influencing the direction of the project and in that
regard Mark is wrong when he believes that those discussion are out of
place on the -devel list.

That said, I've already left the Gobuntu-devel list because of those
eternal flamewars on patents. :P

On 10/16/07, Chris Andrew <address@hidden> wrote:
> Justin,
> Thanks for those words.  With regard to PFV being a bottleneck, I'm
> not suggesting that things can't move forward without us getting
> everything checked, I'm just saying that unless we have a distro that
> has checked software, then the best we can say is _Well it's sort of
> free_.
> What I mean is that it would be silly to rush out another release,
> without having a good go at the PFV stuff.  Developer time as you
> correctly stated, is a commodity.
> From a personal perspective, I'd like gNS to be released regularly,
> because I like new (but stable) software, as much as anyone.  Lee and
> I are doing the best we can to progress the PFV work, and we have a
> good following that are pushing forward.  gNS is in good shape at the
> moment, and we seem a happy bunch.  That's good :-).
> I won't say any more on this, otherwise the list will end up like Gobuntu's.
> Bottom-line:  Keep-up the good work, everyone.  We are heading in the
> right direction, and seem to have some firm guidelines to work to.
> Cheers,
> Chris.
> On 16/10/2007, Justin Baugh <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that people
> > > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been "what we
> > > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't use
> > > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to
> > > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more into
> > > line with that ideal.
> > > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the
> > > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will help
> > > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that goal.
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > EXCUSE ME?!
> > >
> > > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make Gobuntu
> > > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?!
> >
> > You missed his point entirely.
> >
> > What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, there
> > are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something they
> > want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list
> > (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature
> > that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of
> > something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a sidenote,
> > I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release
> > is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available
> > developer time).
> >
> > He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful.
> > And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to
> > discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to
> > just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to
> > shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally
> > free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is worth
> > ten thousand words.
> >
> > I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than happy
> > to entertain a discussion of why it is, however.
> >
> > -Justin
> >
> >
> >
> >
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