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Re: HTML vs XHTML
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David Paleino |
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Re: HTML vs XHTML |
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Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:49:40 +0100 |
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Victor Engmark ha scritto:
> On 2/25/07, *Davi Leal* <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>
> gnu.org <http://gnu.org> uses XHTML 1.0 Strict
> fsf.org <http://fsf.org> uses XHTML 1.0 Transitional (Plone)
> fsfe.org <http://fsfe.org> uses XHTML 1.0 Transitional (eZ
> Publish)
>
> IE6 does not support application/xhtml+xml in fact it does not
> support XHTML at all. XHTML is planned for IE8.
Stupid Microsoft crap. *lol*
> fsf.org <http://fsf.org> "works" on IE6 because of they send XHTML
> with a content-type of "text/html". Sending XHTML that way means
> you get none of the XML-related benefits due to browsers use the
> HTML parser -- It is written with XHTML but actually working as
> HTML.
In this case, it's true that there is no "benefit" at all, if we only
consider the user experience.
If we consider the developing work, it's easier writing XHTML than HTML
(imho). That's why XHTML has stricter rules, and, moreover, enforces
accessibility requiring, for example, the alt attribute on <img>'s.
(that's also one of the PROs Victor listed).
> Sending a content-type of application/xhtml+xml means that 80% of
> todays browsers will prompt you to download the document instead
> of attempting to render it. It does not look like the browser
> market can handle application/xhtml+xml yet.
That's weird.
If this is true, I'm ok we should cancel the task, and wait for "better
times".
In any case... my (and everyone else's, lol) Firefox seems like can
handle the application/xhtml+xml content-type. So, as usual, IE blocks
our way with its non-standard behaviour. Again, crappy Microsoft
software, *lol*.
> XHTML 1.0 and 1.1 do not provide benefits. So, I propose stay
> with HTML 4.01 Transitional and cancel the XHTML tasks. David,
> what do you think?.
> It seems it would be a lot of work to no benefit.
I'm ok with cancelling the task.
GNUHerds.org is not strictly related to *nix world (which, I believe, is
as standard-compliant as possible), so I think we should grant
accessibility also to Windows/Mac users using IE.
> So there's three major open source organizations which use XHTML, but
> none of them know what they're doing, because "XHTML 1.0 and 1.1 do not
> provide benefits"?
Victor, the fact is not that "none of them know what they're doing".
It's true that they all set the content-type to "text/html". I believe
that is for backwards compatibility.
> There are many other arguments for and against XHTML
> on other sites:
>
> [ pros and againsts XHTML ]
I'll read them.
But, I'd like to say, we should be accessible to all. Ok, for that we
follow standards... but if there's some browser (we know which :-P)
which doesn't respect them... shouldn't we consider it?
The best thing to do would be detecting, with an intro page, or kinda,
the browser type. Then, we can choose whether to send text/html or
application/xhtml+xml.
Besides all the "theorical" questions, I've had some problems. In fact,
there are some HTML attributes which do not exist in XHTML. For some, I
just used CSS, but for others, I couldn't find a valid substitute.
That's why some pages are, actually, hybrid HTML/XHTML. :-(
Cheers,
David
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- Proposal: switching from HTML 4.0 to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, David Paleino, 2007/02/21
- Re: Proposal: switching from HTML 4.0 to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/21
- Re: Proposal: switching from HTML 4.0 to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, Davi Leal, 2007/02/21
- Re: Proposal: switching from HTML 4.0 to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/21
- Re: Proposal: switching from HTML 4.0 to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, David Paleino, 2007/02/21
- HTML vs XHTML, Davi Leal, 2007/02/24
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML,
David Paleino <=
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, David Paleino, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, Davi Leal, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, David Paleino, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML 4.01 Strict + CSS -- Later XHTML if convenient?, Davi Leal, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML 4.01 Strict + CSS -- Later XHTML if convenient?, Davi Leal, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML 4.01 Strict + CSS -- Later XHTML if convenient?, Victor Engmark, 2007/02/25
- Re: The team have XHTML experience, Davi Leal, 2007/02/25
- Re: HTML vs XHTML, MJ Ray, 2007/02/25