Re: Charset problem

[Christian Schröder]

Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> You haven't supplied enough information about your systems to
> intelligently guess what might be your problem.  One piece of info
> that is missing is the locales of your SuSE server and of your Windows
> box.

Sorry!

These are the locale settings on my server:
LANG=posix
LC_CTYPE="posix"
LC_NUMERIC="posix"
LC_TIME="posix"
LC_COLLATE="posix"
LC_MONETARY="posix"
LC_MESSAGES="posix"
LC_PAPER="posix"
LC_NAME="posix"
LC_ADDRESS="posix"
LC_TELEPHONE="posix"
LC_MEASUREMENT="posix"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="posix"
LC_ALL=

Do you need anything else from the linux box?

I'm not sure how to find out the locale of my Windows box, but it's a 
German windows version, if that is of any help.

> Go to one of those question marks and type "C-u C-x =".  Then tell
> here what Emacs has to say about those characters.

One example:

    character: ? (0374, 252, 0xfc)
      charset: eight-bit-graphic (8-bit graphic char (0xA0..0xFF))
   code point: 252
       syntax: whitespace
     category:
  buffer code: 0xFC
    file code: 0xFC (encoded by coding system raw-text-unix)
terminal code: not encodable

This is what I expected because the character is a german "u-umlaut".

> Also, what does Emacs show in the left edge of the mode line.  There's
> a character there that says what Emacs thinks about the encoding of
> the file, and what encoding it uses for displaying characters on the
> terminal (see the user manual, node "Mode Line", for explanations
> about these).  What do you see there when you visit the ISO-8859-1
> encoded files?

-:---F1  join.php       11:33PM 0.19   (PHP 
Abbrev)--L10--C30--Top-----------

So it seems to be "no code conversion". I tried to change the coding 
system for keyboard and/or terminal, but it did not change anything. It 
seems as if I still don't understand what's happening. :(

> > I have tried to set PuTTY's translation to both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1
>
> Are you talking about the Window->Translation page in the PuTTY's
> session configuration dialog?

Exactly!

> Did you click the "Save" button on the "Session" page, after changing
> those settings, and then restarted the session?  If not, the new
> settings might not be in effect.

I changed the current session's settings and I think that the settings 
actually came into effect because the behaviour changed. Unfortunately, 
I was not able to get it to behave the way I want it ...

> > PuTTY seems to send an ISO-8859-1 encoded character when I set the 
> > translation to ISO-8859-1.
>
> The "translation" setting is not for sending, it's for receiving: it
> tells PuTTY what font to use when it gets characters with the 8th bit
> set.

Yes, I have read this in the manual, but I have also found some 
references where it says that the same encoding is used for sending. If 
not, what does PuTTY send if I type some german characters on my 
keyboard? Can I somehow influence what it sends?

> > So which way do my characters take before they get into the file? How 
> > many translation steps are done, and by whom? Are there any Emacs 
> > variables that must be set?
>
> Before answering these questions, we need to know the information
> about your locales.  It's hard to help you before that, except by wild
> guessing.

Sorry for giving too little information and many thanks for your help!

Regards,
        Christian