Re: Issues with emacs

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 24/06/12 18:07, Drew Adams wrote:
>>> Improving the use of menus and improving doc/help access is approachable by 
>>> nearly anyone.
>>> Menu implementation is a bit complicated, and so are keymaps. But once past 
>>> the initial 
>>> hurdle it is not hard to make a concrete implementation 
>>> improvement/proposal.  Whether a
>>> particular proposal gets adopted is another story.  But your chances are 
>>> much higher with
>>> code than with abstract expectations or whining about "modern" and 
>>> "nowadays" this or
>>> that.
>> 
>> Ups - I just hope that this refers to me: I definitely did not "whine that 
>> emacs is not
>> modern enough", nor did I want to complain tat emacs is not "modern" enough 
>> for "nowadays"
>> computer users.
> 
> No, Rainer, not at all.  I was not referring to anything said by anyone in 
> this thread.  I was
> speaking generally, based on lots of threads and other discussions over the 
> years.
> 
> And let me be clearer: There is _nothing wrong with complaining_, whether or 
> not someone has a
> positive suggestion or, better, a proposed code change - as long as readers 
> are respected as
> people and not insulted or attacked personally, obviously.
> 
> The closer feedback is to a concrete suggestion, code patch, or reasoned 
> technical argument,
> the more useful it is likely to be.  That's all.
> 
> No one, including me, should discourage feedback that does not necessarily 
> make a concrete
> proposal.  Complaints, no matter how expressed or how vague, have their place 
> and can be
> constructive in the end - and no matter how they might be received.
> 
> The point is not for anyone to avoid complaining.  It is just to suggest that 
> if you _can_ be
> concrete, give reasons, and maybe even suggest code changes, then the chances 
> of consideration
> generally improve.  Just advice/suggestion.
> 
> And as I tried to make clear, even a well reasoned, concrete proposal based 
> on a good idea and
> with a clean code patch is far from a guarantee of acceptance. Just because 
> you express your
> idea well and you are convinced that it represents an improvement, that does 
> not mean that
> others will see things the same way. ;-) Don't take such rejection 
> personally, and don't let it
> dissuade you from continuing to try to improve things.
> 
> Those who decide have been wrong about many things over the years.  And they 
> have also been
> right about many things.  If they are wrong about about a suggestion you 
> make, so be it.

Good points and lets hope that this discussion will help to make emacs even 
wider accepted as it
is now.

Cheers,

Rainer


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