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Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email


From: Milan Glacier
Subject: Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:52:59 -0500
User-agent: NeoMutt/20220429

You have mentioning a good vision.This is the next step of the
Human-Computer Interaction revolution for sure.

However this is something too far away, maybe off the topic too much. I
don't know if there are any free email clients (either GUI or TUI) that
could do what you say. And if so, this is the revolution. There's no need
to recommend them, because they are destined to rule the world.

I once encounter with a proprietary email client that has some
elementary speech interaction support. And again since we are talking at
GNU mailing list I don't recommend it. I only mentions non-free software
when I am making comparison with others such that those non-free
softwares are inferior.

On 01/20/23 12:07, Jean Louis wrote:
* Milan Glacier <news@milanglacier.com> [2023-01-19 19:12]:

Yes you are right. Average users won't feel it is powerful than GUI
client. GUI client already satisfies the indexing and searching need for
most of the user. That is the price of powerfulness, it takes time to
learn.

When system is truly powerful it will be ergonomic to human. There
will be hand gestures, and speech recognition. Display may be on a
large TV screen or when user walks to kitchen to fetch a sandwich,
monitor in the kitchen would recognize it and turn itself on, and keep
running the video or editing of the programming code.

Almost any programming language ins powerful for programmer.

But for user of the program, that is for majority of no meaning. What
people need is assistance in their life.

I remember watching 1994 or 1995, perfectly functional speech
recognition software in Germany, and I was thinking alright, that is
what we have to have. It was writing text in German language straight
into some word processing program.

And now is 2023, and we don't have it. There is software, but it is
all in parts and not integrated.

People need integration.

The non-free Android system shows pretty good integration of programs
and assistive technologies for human. It can speak, it can become
accessible, it provides sharing of almost anything to any
communication channel.

E-macs provides e-mails, and there is XMPP/Jabber chat, and IRC, it
possible to connect it to communication channels, but it is all in
parts as it comes from terminal world, not graphical world.

I could imagine nice graphical choice of packages with recognizable
identity icons, and simple descriptions, where user only need to click
once to install it.

All kinds of sharing to communication channels should be implemented
just as the non-free Android system demonstrates it.

Then the various assistive computer control like hand gestures, mouse
gestures, eye control, speech recognition -- and THEN we can say it is
powerful.

And that is only two of features we need. Remember 2001: A Space
Odyssey from 1968? That is what I consider how it should be, there
shall be analogous "Hal" computer that listens to human, not only
listens, but knows what is to be done after some training, without any
talks.

"When I wake up", "every morning", "open up doors, windows, and put my
bed in order". Prepare my toothbrush with toothpaste ready in
bathroom. When I enter bathroom, in the morning, give me middle stream
of water of 19 degree temperature.

When we think of objects in semantic triplets, the above statements
are not hard to define by using speech or text.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_triple

Thus programs have to be powerful from human users' view point, not
just from programmers view point.

--
Jean



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