Re: [libreplanet-discuss] DRM is the straw man

[Nils Gillmann]

Nils Gillmann <niasterisk@grrlz.net> writes:

Correction / addition after a discussion I had:

this output I gave was my initial reaction.

I acknowlegde the problem of copyright and things are more
complicated than just copyright.

I could go more into detail if someone wants to, but I guess
what's really problematic is the lack of education (and
educational support) and emancipation on free culture works.
I know about free culture by now, and my plan if I ever get some
of the monumental long songs recorded will be to work that
way. But many musicians I met, sometimes they even run labels and
production on their own or with other people in collective,
copyleft or even cc0 is nothing "mainstream". it's getting
bigger, but many steps still have to be taken to get it into
peoples minds.
I would compare it with this heteronormative, whitesupremacist,
patriarchy world. people learn hetero is the norm in school, in
media, in peer groups as children and youth etc. Some discover
there are other things out there on their own, some will feel
weird all their lives long. It all comes down to education. I
know people who work professionally in education against the
heterosexual, patriarchy thing.
I think C3S and similar businesses/cooperatives have the
potential to be educational. But you have to bring information to
the people, to artists, to people who mostly get the same
copyright myth fed by spoon as everyone else.

/end loose associating.
I hope this was in some way explanatory to what I've written before.

> Fabio Pesari <fabiop@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> On 02/20/2016 02:25 AM, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't doubt there are good musicians releasing music on it, however
>> most of those artists are necessarily derivative of influential nonfree
>> music: for example, I can't imagine someone who makes progressive rock
>> and isn't in any way influenced by Pink Floyd, Genesis or Yes.
>
> Try to live in this connected world and *not* be influenced by
> anything which has been done before in some way. I don't know who
> I heard saying this, but in the beginnings of the last century
> you could meet musicians in some parts of the USA in remote
> mountain villages who never heard any other musician before and
> had only their own, original ideas.
> Now, well.. you find the "everything is a remix" case very often.
> It's not entirely a bad thing, I like lots of specific
> musicstyle, one of them is music which is based on remixing and
> destroying/doing what you want with it and adding your own style
> to it: breakcore.
>
>> In short, especially if you are a musician, you will have a hard time
>> connecting with other people with similar musical tastes if you only
>> listen to music released on Magnatune.
>
> I'm not sure wether I can agree or disagree, so I think this is
> an added statement.
> Even if you totally manage to avoid all kinds of
> external,subconscious influences like public radio, people
> driving by with music too loud, your parents/friends playing
> records, etc etc, your taste builds on your experience you made
> in selectively listening to multiple sources of music throughout
> your life. And it's very different from person to person, I've
> met people who do not like music at all, and I've met people who
> can't stand musical pieces being longer than 5 or 20 minutes.
>
> What I wanted as a musician (dormant projects currently) did not
> (only) get shaped by what I listened to as a child. My taste is
> diverse and wandered off from some extensive listening phases to
> certain music I no longer listen in my "adult" life to something
> entirely different or being a result from what I listened to
> earlier. Selective, conscious and unconcious media input. Yet I
> had (and have) a hard time finding someone with the exact same
> interest I have who also happens to play fitting instruments. You
> can't avoid to consume copyright, but copyright is the problem,
> it's as difficult as trying to escape capitalism in a capitalist
> society system. It's there, it will disappear eventually, but as
> long as it's the ruling force it's hard to see a way out.
>
> Alternatives for creative people who want to make a living off
> their art (always very hard to manage without exploiting
> yourself) are growing again, that's the positive thing. Like the
> counter project against the GEMA in germany, the C3S (
> https://www.c3s.cc/en/why-we-need-an-alternative-to-gema/ ) which
> is a good thing to have if you are not into diy culture etc.
>
> A potential step against DRM encouraging platforms for artists is
> also involved in something I want to design over the next years.
>
> You will have a hard time enforcing certain free licenses on
> people who have a hard time making money, because people think
> they don#t deserve income because "that's not a real job", but if
> we can work towards a change in that way (more ethical consumers,
> pay-what-you-can, etc), with a multitude of tools, it will get to
> creative people at some point, because creative people are
> consumers and people who seek new input too. Nobody likes major
> labels or rip off platforms, But not everyone is a born manager
> for the diy style.
>
> just my 2cents, free associating.
>
>> Back to Magnatune, if you only listen to music released on it, you won't
>> have much of a cultural life. If that has to be case, you might as well
>> go all the way and listen to libre music exclusively, and prevent this
>> bullshit from happening in the future.
>>

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ng