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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement
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Msavoritias |
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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement |
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Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:05:03 +0200 |
I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. You can say the most
correct and right things in the world.
But if you don't make the person that hears you inspired or happy you
won't go anywhere.
MSavoritias
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 15:02, Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
wrote:
I actually don't agree to this. The goal of FSF is to make software
libre knowledge and use worldwide. Such analogy you mentioned is not
for all people. On July 24, 2020 8:40:29 AM UTC, Msavoritias
<[1]marinus.savoritias@disroot.org> wrote:
I agree completely. We could attract people with an enjoyable
experiece and the community feeling. We should investigate how FSF
and GNU can improve these areas. Regards, MSavoritias On Fri, Jul
24, 2020 at 07:29, Yasuaki Kudo <[2]yasu@yasuaki.com> wrote:
In a way, I think money is not even a big issue. I recently came
across this article:
<[3]https://newrepublic.com/article/121832/pleasure-do-it-yourself-s
low-computing> Applying the "Slow Food" analogy, our point would not
be pouring money so that it becomes "Less Slow" 😄 I would say, we
need to have more people enjoy it. So in practical terms, we need to
develop a huge communal kitchen, instead of an industrial food
factory. The workers at food factory, or paid computer programmers
at Microsoft, for example, would not go there were it not for the
money. However, the people at communal kitchens at camping sites go
there for the enjoyment of it! Free Software development should a
very enjoyable activity and we should aim to develop a practical
regime of constantly welcoming new participants, educating them and
empowering them to enjoy and contribute meaningfully to the Fee
Software ecosystem 😄 -Yasu
On Jul 24, 2020, at 06:36, Msavoritias
<[4]marinus.savoritias@disroot.org> wrote:  Mr Fidelman, Whether
this person is or isn't correct doesn't matter. We should treat
everybody respectfully otherwise we are alienating potential Free
Software users from joining our community. Please try to be more
polite in the future. MSavoritias On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 15:22,
Miles Fidelman <[5]mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote: On 7/23/20
12:48 PM, Sagar Acharya via libreplanet-discuss wrote: I read "Free
as in Freedom" by Richard Stallman and am a strong supporter of GNU
project. I strongly want it to succeed. However, when you keep money
away from the free software movement, such a movement cannot survive
against people who actively charge money for binaries without source
code. All power arises from concealment. When you understand a
system very well, the power goes away and it looks ordinary. When
GNU or libre movement asks contributors or volunteers (both fancy
words for "work for me for free"), you present making libre software
as a secondary thing rather than a central thing. When projects
licensed GPLv3 rely almost completely on "donations" from other, you
rely on the donor's generosity for getting food at your table. I
really want people to remove reliance on external things and make
GNU central and very active. So what's your point? FOSS is doing
quite well. Apache powers the web. Postfix powers email. Linux,
Python, ... And plenty of the bug guys pay good money to folks who
crank out FOSS software. What's the point of pontificating &
spouting counter-factual bullshit? Do you just like making a fool of
yourself? Or am I missing something? Miles Fidelman -- In theory,
there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice,
there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but
nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows
why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and
no one knows why. ... unknown
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References
1. mailto:marinus.savoritias@disroot.org
2. mailto:yasu@yasuaki.com
3.
https://newrepublic.com/article/121832/pleasure-do-it-yourself-slow-computing
4. mailto:marinus.savoritias@disroot.org
5. mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net
6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
10. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
11. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
12. mailto:hayati@riseup.net
13. http://www.alirezahayati.com/
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- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, (continued)
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Msavoritias, 2020/07/24
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Stephen Paul Weber, 2020/07/24
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Davis Remmel, 2020/07/24
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, jinnjus, 2020/07/24
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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Msavoritias, 2020/07/23
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Aaron Wolf, 2020/07/23
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Yasuaki Kudo, 2020/07/24
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Msavoritias, 2020/07/24
- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Ali Reza Hayati, 2020/07/24
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- Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, jinnjus, 2020/07/24
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Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Miles Fidelman, 2020/07/24
Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Ali Reza Hayati, 2020/07/24
Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Miles Fidelman, 2020/07/24
Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Davis Remmel, 2020/07/24
Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement, Miles Fidelman, 2020/07/24