Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 131, Issue 18 Re: RMS is back on board

[Jan Kubát]

Hi,
for your information, there is also a post from FSFE at

https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.en.html

- my understanding is they are not happy about the way RMS did his
comeback, not so much in regard the announcement may have seemed a bit
spontaneous, rather it seems to me like if they would appreciate some
form of formal statement with respect to his for some people
potentially distracting sense of humor. That's just me guessing, I may
try contacting them to learn more since their note "we see ourselves
unable to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in
which Richard Stallman has a leading position" picked my interest.
Maybe I am just picky and aiming for some clear statements in this
fuzzy world. Take care,

Jan

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>    1. Re: RMS is back on board (Thomas Lord)
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>    3. Re: RMS is back on board (Thomas Lord)
>    4. Re: Support RMS (Ali Reza Hayati)
>    5. Meaning of "damning the [Electronic Frontier Foundation]
>       organization in absolute terms"? (J.B. Nicholson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:55:52 -0700
> From: Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>
> To: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> Cc: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>,
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> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
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> The EFF has also attacked Stallman in reaction to his return to the
> board.
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board
>
> -t
>
>
> On 2021-03-25 15:13, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>> Thank you Adrienne.
>>
>> Libreplanet people, while we can message board members, it is much
>> appreciated to first send your emails to info@fsf.org.
>>
>> Letting board members know of your support is also very much
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Let's not let these bullies and haters hurt our principals and take
>> back our control over software libre world for the good of all of us.
>> Thank you all.
>>
>> On March 25, 2021 9:41:23 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson"
>> <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ali:
>>>
>>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I
>>> received
>>> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others
>>> to
>>> email messages of support too - asap!
>>>
>>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on
>>> account of
>>> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from
>>> his
>>> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>>
>>> Adrienne
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:15:13 +0000
> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> To: Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>
> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
> Message-ID: <F6FA2EE1-AB16-48E4-A13B-8ECD2D8D9C9B@riseup.net>
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> Yes. I've seen this. EFF does a wonderful job but they're not defending
> software libre movement, at least in this matter.
>
> I appreciate it if you focus on defending truth not opposing any
> organization. However, it's good to show those organizarions that their
> actions will have consequences. But for now, let's focus on showing our
> support for RMS and truth.
>
> On March 25, 2021 10:55:52 PM UTC, Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>The EFF has also attacked Stallman in reaction to his return to the
>>board.
>>
>>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board
>>
>>-t
>>
>>
>>On 2021-03-25 15:13, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>>> Thank you Adrienne.
>>>
>>> Libreplanet people, while we can message board members, it is much
>>> appreciated to first send your emails to info@fsf.org.
>>>
>>> Letting board members know of your support is also very much
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Let's not let these bullies and haters hurt our principals and take
>>> back our control over software libre world for the good of all of us.
>>> Thank you all.
>>>
>>> On March 25, 2021 9:41:23 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson"
>>> <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ali:
>>>>
>>>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I
>>>> received
>>>> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others
>>>> to
>>>> email messages of support too - asap!
>>>>
>>>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on
>>>> account of
>>>> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from
>>>> his
>>>> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>>>
>>>> Adrienne
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> libreplanet-discuss mailing list
>>> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>>> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:20:14 -0700
> From: Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>
> To: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
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> Having been personally close enough to see how some of the EFF founders
> thought, I will remain comfortable damning the organization in absolute
> terms.  Nothing in their history of advocacy has changed my mind.
> Obviously other people without that direct experience might not have the
> same sense that blanket condemnation of EFF is well earned, and that's
> fine.
>
> =t
>
> On 2021-03-25 16:15, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>> Yes. I've seen this. EFF does a wonderful job but they're not
>> defending software libre movement, at least in this matter.
>>
>> I appreciate it if you focus on defending truth not opposing any
>> organization. However, it's good to show those organizarions that
>> their actions will have consequences. But for now, let's focus on
>> showing our support for RMS and truth.
>>
>> On March 25, 2021 10:55:52 PM UTC, Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The EFF has also attacked Stallman in reaction to his return to the
>>> board.
>>>
>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board
>>>
>>> -t
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2021-03-25 15:13, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>>>> Thank you Adrienne.
>>>>
>>>> Libreplanet people, while we can message board members, it is much
>>>> appreciated to first send your emails to info@fsf.org.
>>>>
>>>> Letting board members know of your support is also very much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not let these bullies and haters hurt our principals and take
>>>> back our control over software libre world for the good of all of us.
>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>
>>>> On March 25, 2021 9:41:23 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson"
>>>> <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ali:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I
>>>>> received
>>>>> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others
>>>>> to
>>>>> email messages of support too - asap!
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on
>>>>> account of
>>>>> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support
>>>>> from
>>>>> his
>>>>> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrienne
>>>>
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>>>> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:27:12 +0430
> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> Subject: Re: Support RMS
> Message-ID: <4ad6ede2-47dc-c24d-83cd-80d078a6ffd6@riseup.net>
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> People,
>
> FSF board has received lots of messages today and there's no need to add
> to the pile. Please send your support for RMS to info@fsf.org and ask
> them to resist pressures and stay with us.
>
> Software libre is a matter of justice. If we can learn one thing from
> the whole movement is to keep our principals and fight for justice. FSF
> made a mistake back in 2019 and that was not to defend RMS against false
> accusations. Today, we can make that right by supporting a wonderful
> honorable man.
>
> Show your support by sending messages to info@fsf.org. Do it now, later
> may be late.
>
> Best.
> --
> Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com)
> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:14:02 -0500
> From: "J.B. Nicholson" <jbn@forestfield.org>
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> Subject: Meaning of "damning the [Electronic Frontier Foundation]
>       organization in absolute terms"?
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> Thomas Lord wrote:
>> Having been personally close enough to see how some of the EFF founders
>> thought, I
>> will remain comfortable damning the organization in absolute terms.
>> Nothing in
>> their history of advocacy has changed my mind.  Obviously other people
>> without
>> that direct experience might not have the same sense that blanket
>> condemnation of
>> EFF is well earned, and that's fine.
>
> I don't understand what you're referring to. What, specifically, are you
> referring to?
>
>
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