Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 131, Issue 17 Re: RMS is back on board

[Jan Kubát]

>> Re: RMS is back on board

Hi,
I recall there has been some reason to avoid Github, but discussing
the support of RMS being back on board, I thought of sharing a link

https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

in case you are not aware of it yet. I consider mailing FSF a better
option, yet I was happy to see some activity in favour of RMS and FSF
after spending a rahter unproducitve evening trying to get some input
to remind me what the negative reaction from EFF and some individuals
on Twitter was all about. I guess

https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance

might be a reaction to that fuss possibly, but I consider transparency
a good thing, generally speaking. I hope they are not going to mess
that up.

Happy hacking ;)

Jan


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>    1. Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
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>    2. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati)
>    3. Re: RMS is back on board (Adrienne G. Thompson)
>    4. Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back
>       on board) (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:14:56 +0100
> From: Tobias Platen <tplaten@posteo.de>
> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> Subject: Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
>       workshop planned.
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> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:44:47 +0100
> Robert <robert@itcave.de> wrote:
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>> would there still be a place available?
> yes, 8 places available
>
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> Tobias Platen <tplaten@posteo.de>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:01:27 +0000
> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> To: Dennis Payne <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>,
>       libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
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> As I said, there's no "proof". A story, even if the whole world tells it,
> doesn't matter unless there's proof.
>
> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>>On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 21:44 +0430, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>>> I wrote this blog post:
>>> https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-support-rms/
>>>
>>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>
>>I don't think RMS should be "cancelled". If FSF want him on the board
>>that's fine with me. However, you include:
>>
>>"Some also accuse Stallman of sexual harassment and “assault” which
>>there’s no proof of and as a person who knows him, I can tell very far
>>from truth."
>>
>>There are enough stories that I find it implausible that there haven't
>>been bad encounters in the past between Stallman and others. Maybe he
>>didn't realize he treated someone badly. Maybe he has since learned and
>>treats people better. I don't know. I remember an actor commenting on a
>>late show that there wouldn't be a "me too" moment highlighting his bad
>>behavior but acknowledged in the past he might have been dismissive to
>>a woman in a meeting or something. We are all human and anyone can make
>>a mistake.
>>
>>Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of
>>games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as
>>it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision
>>of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to
>>the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo
>>all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to
>>not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as
>>simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require
>>altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively
>>makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made.
>>
>>
>
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> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:41:23 -0500
> From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>
> To: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
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> Ali:
>
> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>> appreciated.
>
>
> I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I received
> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to
> email messages of support too - asap!
>
> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of
> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his
> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>
> Adrienne
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>    Ali:
>
>      Please send your support of RMS to [1]info@fsf.org. This would be
>      much
>      appreciated.
>
>    I was in the process of drafting an email to [2]info@fsf.org when I
>    received your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage
>    others to email messages of support too - asap!
>    Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account
>    of canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support
>    from his allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>    Adrienne
>    --
>    Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>    GNU C-Graph - [3]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>    Code Art Now - [4]http://codeartnow.com
>    Abertheid Campaign - [5]http://www.abertheid.info
>    Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>    Let's Link Up: [6]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:info@fsf.org
>    2. mailto:info@fsf.org
>    3. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>    4. http://codeartnow.com/
>    5. http://www.abertheid.info/
>    6. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:09:01 -0300
> From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>
> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> Subject: Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back
>       on board)
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> Em 25/03/2021 18:01, Ali Reza Hayati escreveu:
>> …
>
> Ali, I'm not replying to you, but to Dennis Payne. Their message is the only
> instance in which their statements appear.
>
>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne
>> <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote:
>>> Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of
>>> games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as
>>> it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision
>>> of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to
>>> the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo
>>> all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to
>>> not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as
>>> simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require
>>> altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively
>>> makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made.
>
> For packages that want to be included in free/libre system distributions,
> according to the GNU FSDG, which is the guidelines used to review if a
> package can be included, or if a distro can be considered free/libre, the
> section on non-practical/non-functional works/data[1] states that at least
> freedom 2 in full must be granted (that is, the freedom to share and sell
> unlimited copies of the original work).
>
> Interestingly, the Free Software Directory's requirements page[2]
> acknowledges that RMS also recognized that some subjectivity is needed, so
> they do leave margin for analysis of what can be considered a
> non-functional/non-practical data/work, since an audio file can either be
> used for listening pleasure or for an audio-based map generator for a game.
>
> There is also a part of the free/libre software movement that cares for
> free/libre culture[3], which extends all the definitions to the
> non-functional/non-practical data/works. But from my past years implementing
> this to my works I can say that this is still challenging, as many people
> aren't aware that simply proving an .OGG/.OPUS file of a music is not enough
> (again, in the context of *free culture* activists, not free software
> activists), even if the license gives the four freedoms.
>
> Furthermore, the resources that would be required for one free culture
> activist alone to provide the complete corresponding source files amount to
> tebibytes of data unless you find a caring community to share the load with
> you by seeding using torrents. Even with this, the seeded data mustn't be
> mutable/changeable, so either you stick with one intro for the 1,000 videos
> of your channel or make shares for each revision of the intro. On top of
> that, unless your torrent share did distribute the complete corresponding
> source files of the awesome video that is also on the same share, you would
> still have licensing considerations to take into account before simply
> deleting the old versions/revisions.
>
> I don't know if WebTorrent/WebSeed/WebRTC supports seeding more than one
> file in the same torrent, and also has a way to tell which is the one that
> is supposed to be automatically played, but I hope it does provide such
> functions.
>
> Before PeerTube existed (and I don't even know if it's free/libre yet,
> despite the FSD entry, since I don't know if all the direct or indirect
> dependencies were reviewed), I tried publishing videos and pointing in the
> video's description to the torrent of the complete corresponding source
> files, which I seeded for about two years, then I faced some storage issues
> and lost all stuff except the torrent files. I tried using those to recover
> the source files, but no seed appeared, this is why the above two paragraphs
> are so important for free culture activism.
>
>
> # References
>
>
> [1]:
> https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#non-functional-data
> .
>
> [2]:
> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:Requirements#Edge_Cases
> .
>
> [3]: https://freedomdefined.org/Definition .
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:13:58 +0000
> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
> To: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>
> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
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> Thank you Adrienne.
>
> Libreplanet people, while we can message board members, it is much
> appreciated to first send your emails to info@fsf.org.
>
> Letting board members know of your support is also very much appreciated.
>
> Let's not let these bullies and haters hurt our principals and take back our
> control over software libre world for the good of all of us. Thank you all.
>
> On March 25, 2021 9:41:23 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson"
> <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Ali:
>>
>>Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I received
>>your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to
>>email messages of support too - asap!
>>
>>Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of
>>canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his
>>allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>
>>Adrienne
>
> --
> Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com)
> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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