Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 131, Issue 17 Re: RMS is back on board

[Adrien Bourmault]

Le 26 mars 2021 00:07:49 GMT+01:00, "Jan Kubát" <ja.jan.kubat@gmail.com> a 
écrit :
>>> Re: RMS is back on board
>
>Hi,
>I recall there has been some reason to avoid Github, but discussing
>the support of RMS being back on board, I thought of sharing a link
>
>https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
>
>in case you are not aware of it yet. I consider mailing FSF a better
>option, yet I was happy to see some activity in favour of RMS and FSF
>after spending a rahter unproducitve evening trying to get some input
>to remind me what the negative reaction from EFF and some individuals
>on Twitter was all about. I guess
>
>https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance
>
>might be a reaction to that fuss possibly, but I consider transparency
>a good thing, generally speaking. I hope they are not going to mess
>that up.
>
>Happy hacking ;)
>
>Jan
>
>
>On 3/25/21, libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
><libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
>>       workshop planned. (Tobias Platen)
>>    2. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati)
>>    3. Re: RMS is back on board (Adrienne G. Thompson)
>>    4. Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back
>>       on board) (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
>>    5. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:14:56 +0100
>> From: Tobias Platen <tplaten@posteo.de>
>> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
>>      workshop planned.
>> Message-ID: <20210325181456.0e5dc9a09e5c9da76d3c9336@posteo.de>
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>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:44:47 +0100
>> Robert <robert@itcave.de> wrote:
>>
>>> would there still be a place available?
>> yes, 8 places available
>>
>> --
>> Tobias Platen <tplaten@posteo.de>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:01:27 +0000
>> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
>> To: Dennis Payne <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>,
>>      libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
>> Message-ID: <BA4FE65C-5E8B-47D0-AE98-10F886D823CB@riseup.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> As I said, there's no "proof". A story, even if the whole world tells it,
>> doesn't matter unless there's proof.
>>
>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 21:44 +0430, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>>>> I wrote this blog post:
>>>> https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-support-rms/
>>>>
>>>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>>I don't think RMS should be "cancelled". If FSF want him on the board
>>>that's fine with me. However, you include:
>>>
>>>"Some also accuse Stallman of sexual harassment and “assault” which
>>>there’s no proof of and as a person who knows him, I can tell very far
>>>from truth."
>>>
>>>There are enough stories that I find it implausible that there haven't
>>>been bad encounters in the past between Stallman and others. Maybe he
>>>didn't realize he treated someone badly. Maybe he has since learned and
>>>treats people better. I don't know. I remember an actor commenting on a
>>>late show that there wouldn't be a "me too" moment highlighting his bad
>>>behavior but acknowledged in the past he might have been dismissive to
>>>a woman in a meeting or something. We are all human and anyone can make
>>>a mistake.
>>>
>>>Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of
>>>games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as
>>>it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision
>>>of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to
>>>the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo
>>>all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to
>>>not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as
>>>simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require
>>>altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively
>>>makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com)
>> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:41:23 -0500
>> From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>
>> To: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
>> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
>> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
>> Message-ID:
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>> Ali:
>>
>> Please send your support of RMS to info@fsf.org. This would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>> I was in the process of drafting an email to info@fsf.org when I received
>> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to
>> email messages of support too - asap!
>>
>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of
>> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his
>> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>
>> Adrienne
>> --
>> Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>>
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>>    Ali:
>>
>>      Please send your support of RMS to [1]info@fsf.org. This would be
>>      much
>>      appreciated.
>>
>>    I was in the process of drafting an email to [2]info@fsf.org when I
>>    received your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage
>>    others to email messages of support too - asap!
>>    Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account
>>    of canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support
>>    from his allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>    Adrienne
>>    --
>>    Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>>    GNU C-Graph - [3]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>>    Code Art Now - [4]http://codeartnow.com
>>    Abertheid Campaign - [5]http://www.abertheid.info
>>    Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>>    Let's Link Up: [6]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto:info@fsf.org
>>    2. mailto:info@fsf.org
>>    3. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>>    4. http://codeartnow.com/
>>    5. http://www.abertheid.info/
>>    6. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:09:01 -0300
>> From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>
>> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back
>>      on board)
>> Message-ID: <3df709ec-48a1-5010-c6a6-aba318065830@hyperbola.info>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Em 25/03/2021 18:01, Ali Reza Hayati escreveu:
>>> …
>>
>> Ali, I'm not replying to you, but to Dennis Payne. Their message is the only
>> instance in which their statements appear.
>>
>>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne
>>> <dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of
>>>> games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as
>>>> it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision
>>>> of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to
>>>> the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo
>>>> all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to
>>>> not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as
>>>> simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require
>>>> altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively
>>>> makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made.
>>
>> For packages that want to be included in free/libre system distributions,
>> according to the GNU FSDG, which is the guidelines used to review if a
>> package can be included, or if a distro can be considered free/libre, the
>> section on non-practical/non-functional works/data[1] states that at least
>> freedom 2 in full must be granted (that is, the freedom to share and sell
>> unlimited copies of the original work).
>>
>> Interestingly, the Free Software Directory's requirements page[2]
>> acknowledges that RMS also recognized that some subjectivity is needed, so
>> they do leave margin for analysis of what can be considered a
>> non-functional/non-practical data/work, since an audio file can either be
>> used for listening pleasure or for an audio-based map generator for a game.
>>
>> There is also a part of the free/libre software movement that cares for
>> free/libre culture[3], which extends all the definitions to the
>> non-functional/non-practical data/works. But from my past years implementing
>> this to my works I can say that this is still challenging, as many people
>> aren't aware that simply proving an .OGG/.OPUS file of a music is not enough
>> (again, in the context of *free culture* activists, not free software
>> activists), even if the license gives the four freedoms.
>>
>> Furthermore, the resources that would be required for one free culture
>> activist alone to provide the complete corresponding source files amount to
>> tebibytes of data unless you find a caring community to share the load with
>> you by seeding using torrents. Even with this, the seeded data mustn't be
>> mutable/changeable, so either you stick with one intro for the 1,000 videos
>> of your channel or make shares for each revision of the intro. On top of
>> that, unless your torrent share did distribute the complete corresponding
>> source files of the awesome video that is also on the same share, you would
>> still have licensing considerations to take into account before simply
>> deleting the old versions/revisions.
>>
>> I don't know if WebTorrent/WebSeed/WebRTC supports seeding more than one
>> file in the same torrent, and also has a way to tell which is the one that
>> is supposed to be automatically played, but I hope it does provide such
>> functions.
>>
>> Before PeerTube existed (and I don't even know if it's free/libre yet,
>> despite the FSD entry, since I don't know if all the direct or indirect
>> dependencies were reviewed), I tried publishing videos and pointing in the
>> video's description to the torrent of the complete corresponding source
>> files, which I seeded for about two years, then I faced some storage issues
>> and lost all stuff except the torrent files. I tried using those to recover
>> the source files, but no seed appeared, this is why the above two paragraphs
>> are so important for free culture activism.
>>
>>
>> # References
>>
>>
>> [1]:
>> https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#non-functional-data

There is a way to sign without using github or non free js.
You can go there 
https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1, or send a 
signed patch to signrms@prog.cf or ~tyil/rms-support@lists.sr.ht.

Librement,
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Adrien Bourmault
Adhérent de l'April,
Co-animateur système du service XMPP du Chapril,
Associate member, Free Software Foundation
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