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Adrienne G. Thompson |
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Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 131, Issue 17 Re: RMS is back on board |
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Hi Adrien
In normal circumstances, I would avoid using Github too. But
corporations, their power, and money are far too capable of waging
asymmetric wars. We need all the support and tools we can get our hands
on.
Thanks for the link. I signed.
PS: You have a nice name! :-)
Adrienne
--
Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
References:
1. GNU C-Graph - [1]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
2. Code Art Now - [2]http://codeartnow.com
3. Abertheid Campaign - [3]http://www.abertheid.info
4. Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
5. Let's Link Up: [4]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>Hi,
>I recall there has been some reason to avoid Github, but discussing
>the support of RMS being back on board, I thought of sharing a link
>
>[5]https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
>
>in case you are not aware of it yet. I consider mailing FSF a
better
>option, yet I was happy to see some activity in favour of RMS and
FSF
>after spending a rahter unproducitve evening trying to get some
input
>to remind me what the negative reaction from EFF and some
individuals
>on Twitter was all about. I guess
>
>[6]https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-gove
rnance
>
>might be a reaction to that fuss possibly, but I consider
transparency
>a good thing, generally speaking. I hope they are not going to mess
>that up.
>
>Happy hacking ;)
>
>Jan
>
>
>On 3/25/21, [7]libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
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>> 1. Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
>> workshop planned. (Tobias Platen)
>> 2. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati)
>> 3. Re: RMS is back on board (Adrienne G. Thompson)
>> 4. Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is
back
>> on board) (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
>> 5. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:14:56 +0100
>> From: Tobias Platen <[13]tplaten@posteo.de>
>> To: [14]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet
>> workshop planned.
>> Message-ID:
<[15]20210325181456.0e5dc9a09e5c9da76d3c9336@posteo.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:44:47 +0100
>> Robert <[16]robert@itcave.de> wrote:
>>
>>> would there still be a place available?
>> yes, 8 places available
>>
>> --
>> Tobias Platen <[17]tplaten@posteo.de>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:01:27 +0000
>> From: Ali Reza Hayati <[18]hayati@riseup.net>
>> To: Dennis Payne <[19]dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>,
>> [20]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
>> Message-ID: <[21]BA4FE65C-5E8B-47D0-AE98-10F886D823CB@riseup.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> As I said, there's no "proof". A story, even if the whole world
tells it,
>> doesn't matter unless there's proof.
>>
>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne
<[22]dulsi@identicalsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 21:44 +0430, Ali Reza Hayati wrote:
>>>> I wrote this blog post:
>>>>
[23]https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-suppor
t-rms/
>>>>
>>>> Please send your support of RMS to [24]info@fsf.org. This would
be much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>>I don't think RMS should be "cancelled". If FSF want him on the
board
>>>that's fine with me. However, you include:
>>>
>>>"Some also accuse Stallman of sexual harassment and “assault”
which
>>>there’s no proof of and as a person who knows him, I can tell
very far
>>>from truth."
>>>
>>>There are enough stories that I find it implausible that there
haven't
>>>been bad encounters in the past between Stallman and others.
Maybe he
>>>didn't realize he treated someone badly. Maybe he has since
learned and
>>>treats people better. I don't know. I remember an actor
commenting on a
>>>late show that there wouldn't be a "me too" moment highlighting
his bad
>>>behavior but acknowledged in the past he might have been
dismissive to
>>>a woman in a meeting or something. We are all human and anyone
can make
>>>a mistake.
>>>
>>>Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of
>>>games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as
long as
>>>it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic
vision
>>>of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new
feature to
>>>the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required
to redo
>>>all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so
as to
>>>not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something
as
>>>simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may
require
>>>altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content
effectively
>>>makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ali Reza Hayati ([25]https://alirezahayati.com)
>> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:41:23 -0500
>> From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <[27]adriennegayethompson@gmail.com>
>> To: Ali Reza Hayati <[28]hayati@riseup.net>
>> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <[29]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
>> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board
>> Message-ID:
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com>
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>> Ali:
>>
>> Please send your support of RMS to [31]info@fsf.org. This would
be much
>>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>> I was in the process of drafting an email to [32]info@fsf.org
when I received
>> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage
others to
>> email messages of support too - asap!
>>
>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on
account of
>> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support
from his
>> allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>>
>> Adrienne
>> --
>> Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>>
>> GNU C-Graph - [33]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>> Code Art Now - [34]http://codeartnow.com
>> Abertheid Campaign - [35]http://www.abertheid.info
>> Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>> Let's Link Up: [36]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
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>> Ali:
>>
>> Please send your support of RMS to [1][37]info@fsf.org. This
would be
>> much
>> appreciated.
>>
>> I was in the process of drafting an email to
[2][38]info@fsf.org when I
>> received your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to
encourage
>> others to email messages of support too - asap!
>> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed
on account
>> of canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need
support
>> from his allies on the Board. Let's address that too.
>> Adrienne
>> --
>> Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
>> GNU C-Graph - [3][39]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>> Code Art Now - [4][40]http://codeartnow.com
>> Abertheid Campaign - [5][41]http://www.abertheid.info
>> Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph
>> Let's Link Up: [6][42]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[43]info@fsf.org
>> 2. mailto:[44]info@fsf.org
>> 3. [45]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
>> 4. [46]http://codeartnow.com/
>> 5. [47]http://www.abertheid.info/
>> 6. [48]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:09:01 -0300
>> From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <[49]adfeno@hyperbola.info>
>> To: [50]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> Subject: Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is
back
>> on board)
>> Message-ID:
<[51]3df709ec-48a1-5010-c6a6-aba318065830@hyperbola.info>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Em 25/03/2021 18:01, Ali Reza Hayati escreveu:
>>> …
>>
>> Ali, I'm not replying to you, but to Dennis Payne. Their message
is the only
>> instance in which their statements appear.
>>
>>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne
>>> <[52]dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment
of
>>>> games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as
long as
>>>> it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic
vision
>>>> of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new
feature to
>>>> the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required
to redo
>>>> all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style
so as to
>>>> not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even
something as
>>>> simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may
require
>>>> altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content
effectively
>>>> makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably
made.
>>
>> For packages that want to be included in free/libre system
distributions,
>> according to the GNU FSDG, which is the guidelines used to review
if a
>> package can be included, or if a distro can be considered
free/libre, the
>> section on non-practical/non-functional works/data[1] states that
at least
>> freedom 2 in full must be granted (that is, the freedom to share
and sell
>> unlimited copies of the original work).
>>
>> Interestingly, the Free Software Directory's requirements page[2]
>> acknowledges that RMS also recognized that some subjectivity is
needed, so
>> they do leave margin for analysis of what can be considered a
>> non-functional/non-practical data/work, since an audio file can
either be
>> used for listening pleasure or for an audio-based map generator
for a game.
>>
>> There is also a part of the free/libre software movement that
cares for
>> free/libre culture[3], which extends all the definitions to the
>> non-functional/non-practical data/works. But from my past years
implementing
>> this to my works I can say that this is still challenging, as
many people
>> aren't aware that simply proving an .OGG/.OPUS file of a music is
not enough
>> (again, in the context of *free culture* activists, not free
software
>> activists), even if the license gives the four freedoms.
>>
>> Furthermore, the resources that would be required for one free
culture
>> activist alone to provide the complete corresponding source files
amount to
>> tebibytes of data unless you find a caring community to share the
load with
>> you by seeding using torrents. Even with this, the seeded data
mustn't be
>> mutable/changeable, so either you stick with one intro for the
1,000 videos
>> of your channel or make shares for each revision of the intro. On
top of
>> that, unless your torrent share did distribute the complete
corresponding
>> source files of the awesome video that is also on the same share,
you would
>> still have licensing considerations to take into account before
simply
>> deleting the old versions/revisions.
>>
>> I don't know if WebTorrent/WebSeed/WebRTC supports seeding more
than one
>> file in the same torrent, and also has a way to tell which is the
one that
>> is supposed to be automatically played, but I hope it does
provide such
>> functions.
>>
>> Before PeerTube existed (and I don't even know if it's free/libre
yet,
>> despite the FSD entry, since I don't know if all the direct or
indirect
>> dependencies were reviewed), I tried publishing videos and
pointing in the
>> video's description to the torrent of the complete corresponding
source
>> files, which I seeded for about two years, then I faced some
storage issues
>> and lost all stuff except the torrent files. I tried using those
to recover
>> the source files, but no seed appeared, this is why the above two
paragraphs
>> are so important for free culture activism.
>>
>>
>> # References
>>
>>
>> [1]:
>>
[53]https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.
html#non-functional-data
There is a way to sign without using github or non free js.
You can go there
[54]https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issue
s/1, or send a signed patch to [55]signrms@prog.cf or
~tyil/[56]rms-support@lists.sr.ht.
Librement,
--
Adrien Bourmault
Adhérent de l'April,
Co-animateur système du service XMPP du Chapril,
Associate member, Free Software Foundation
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References
1. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
2. http://codeartnow.com/
3. http://www.abertheid.info/
4. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
5. https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
6. https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance
7. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
9. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
10. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
11. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org
12. mailto:libreplanet-discuss-owner@libreplanet.org
13. mailto:tplaten@posteo.de
14. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
15. 20210325181456.0e5dc9a09e5c9da76d3c9336@posteo.de">mailto:20210325181456.0e5dc9a09e5c9da76d3c9336@posteo.de
16. mailto:robert@itcave.de
17. mailto:tplaten@posteo.de
18. mailto:hayati@riseup.net
19. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
20. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
21. BA4FE65C-5E8B-47D0-AE98-10F886D823CB@riseup.net">mailto:BA4FE65C-5E8B-47D0-AE98-10F886D823CB@riseup.net
22. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
23. https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-support-rms/
24. mailto:info@fsf.org
25. https://alirezahayati.com/
26.
https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20210325/68e69c7b/attachment.sig
27. mailto:adriennegayethompson@gmail.com
28. mailto:hayati@riseup.net
29. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
30. CACvtE5HJtyEZ7EpCCcd1RorCCnjSknxnFasRGc5SFw7J3ub8AQ@mail.gmail.com">mailto:CACvtE5HJtyEZ7EpCCcd1RorCCnjSknxnFasRGc5SFw7J3ub8AQ@mail.gmail.com
31. mailto:info@fsf.org
32. mailto:info@fsf.org
33. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
34. http://codeartnow.com/
35. http://www.abertheid.info/
36. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
37. mailto:info@fsf.org
38. mailto:info@fsf.org
39. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
40. http://codeartnow.com/
41. http://www.abertheid.info/
42. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
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44. mailto:info@fsf.org
45. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph
46. http://codeartnow.com/
47. http://www.abertheid.info/
48. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/
49. mailto:adfeno@hyperbola.info
50. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
51. 3df709ec-48a1-5010-c6a6-aba318065830@hyperbola.info">mailto:3df709ec-48a1-5010-c6a6-aba318065830@hyperbola.info
52. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
53.
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#non-functional-data
54. https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1
55. mailto:signrms@prog.cf
56. mailto:rms-support@lists.sr.ht
57. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
58. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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