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Re: lynx-dev Is this as intended? - #4 - DEFAULT_KEYPAD_MODE
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Klaus Weide |
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Re: lynx-dev Is this as intended? - #4 - DEFAULT_KEYPAD_MODE |
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Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:09:24 -0600 (CST) |
> >> change DEFAULT_KEYPAD_MODE to LINKS_AND_FIELDS_ARE_NUMBERED -PW
On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Philip Webb wrote:
> since my initials are on the item, i suppose i should comment.
> the change in default was inadvertent [...]
> that said, i will defend the change:
It should revert to the old default, in my opinion.
> LE did the programming to number form fields
> after more senior programmers had resisted it,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> so that blind users could find their way around forms more easily
(As usual you put your spin on history... Other readers are cautioned
not to take everything at face value.)
> (for details, see the Archive in early 1997 IIRC).
(Yes, do see the archives, first half of 1997.)
> for some reason, it is not possible to number form fields in lynx.cfg ,
> only in userdefs.h & the Options Menu, so users who rely on a sysadmim
> may find they have to keep resetting the option or discover .lynxrc .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No "discovering" of .lynxrc (as a file) is necessary. Users just need
to save 'O'ptions from the Options Menu, once. That isn't undue hardship.
It's practically a requirement for using lynx "seriously" (or more than
once).
> i suggest that is an unnecessary burden for the average user
> & that making numbering of form fields the default
> causes no-one trouble in their everyday use of Lynx.
Changing the default for the built-in default causes unexpected change
of behavior for everyone using that default (i.e. if it's not overridden
in lynx.cfg or .lynxrc). Cf. the changed PERSISTENT_COOKIES default.
You seem to assume that LINKS_AND_FIELDS_ARE_NUMBERED is the only
reasonable way to use lynx, and that every user would want that.
It isn't, and they don't.
(Comparison with recently changed default for PERSISTENT_COOKIES: some
users are surprised. But for PERSISTENT_COOKIES, there is good enough
reason for the change IMO (and PERSISTENT_COOKIES was experimental).
For DEFAULT_KEYPAD_MODE there isn't a good enough reason.)
> are there any comments from blind users?
I won't try to speak for them. But I think most of them know and
accept that a program needs to be configured or customized in some
way for personal use. And they'd most likely want to change some other
setitngs anyway (at least, "Show Cursor"). I don't think keeping them
away from the Options Menu, because learning about it is an "unnecessary
burden", is doing them a favor.
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Yes, it *should* be possible to set LINKS_AND_FIELDS_ARE_NUMBERED in
lynx.cfg. It isn't because nobody has yet done the necessary changes.
Klaus